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Message 48653 - Posted: 24 Sep 2023, 13:00:24 UTC
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Finished today: 8 Cpu's
23 Sep 2023, 18:51:11 UTC 24 Sep 2023, 12:50:48 UTC Fertig und Bestätigt
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Message 48655 - Posted: 24 Sep 2023, 15:42:05 UTC
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Second on the same PC:
Uploadfile: 1.43 GByte
Laufzeit 17 Stunden 20 min. 46 sek.
CPU Zeit 5 Tage 8 Stunden 47 min. 21 sek.
23 Sep 2023, 22:06:24 UTC 24 Sep 2023, 15:38:43 UTC Fertig und Bestätigt
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Checkpoint file every 200 events is useful for this very long runtime.
Hardware Acceleration in use therefore.
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Message 48664 - Posted: 26 Sep 2023, 3:46:48 UTC - in response to Message 48655.  

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 113 Stepping 0]
Windows 11 Workstation
CPU Count for VM. (2) 2.000 events
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Message 48673 - Posted: 28 Sep 2023, 6:18:35 UTC

Would be nice to get Longrunner (2000 events) only over a venue in LHC-prefs for those
HPC (High performance Computer) - Threadripper3995WX.
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Message 48685 - Posted: 29 Sep 2023, 11:36:29 UTC
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Four other on Threadripper 3995WX:
Laufzeit 14 Stunden 24 min. 20 sek.
CPU Zeit 4 Tage 4 Stunden 16 min. 59 sek.
Laufzeit 14 Stunden 13 min. 35 sek.
CPU Zeit 4 Tage 3 Stunden 5 min. 7 sek.
Laufzeit 16 Stunden 25 min. 33 sek.
CPU Zeit 4 Tage 22 Stunden 11 min. 55 sek.
Laufzeit 16 Stunden 19 min. 1 sek.
CPU Zeit 4 Tage 20 Stunden 40 min. 23 sek.
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Message 49617 - Posted: 22 Feb 2024, 21:21:50 UTC

atm 1000 events for four Tasks.
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Message 49618 - Posted: 22 Feb 2024, 23:56:05 UTC - in response to Message 49617.  

Seven Tasks with 1k Events finished after 6 hours :-).
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Message 49619 - Posted: 23 Feb 2024, 13:05:22 UTC

Any reason why the tasks suddenly jumped up to 6 hours? They used be like 40 min to 2 hours in the past?
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Message 49620 - Posted: 23 Feb 2024, 13:17:22 UTC - in response to Message 49619.  
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No idea, only Cern-IT can answer us.
In the Spring of 2023, David Cameron makes tests with 2k Atlas-Tasks.
When remember correct, 2k need no transfer for us, because the data is direct from the Collider of Atlas.
@David Cameron:
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/forum_thread.php?id=5978&postid=47914#47914
Atlas Event Progress Monitor in RDP is now correct, Thank you.
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Message 49621 - Posted: 23 Feb 2024, 14:49:51 UTC - in response to Message 49620.  

Atlas Event Progress Monitor in RDP is now correct, Thank you.


That applies only to these long 1000 event tasks. For the short ones with 400 events, the monitoring does not work right.
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Message 49622 - Posted: 23 Feb 2024, 19:25:58 UTC

According to the logs I checked there were tasks configured to process 100, 400, 500 or 1000 events.
To vary the # events doesn't seem to be a good decision from the people who submitted the tasks since it finally unbalances BOINC's work fetch calculation, it's runtime estimation and it's credit calculation.

A while ago some tests where done showing 500 events per task are a good compromise between the project needs and most volunteers can handle without major issues.
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Message 49623 - Posted: 23 Feb 2024, 19:31:42 UTC - in response to Message 49620.  

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Message 49625 - Posted: 23 Feb 2024, 20:59:31 UTC - in response to Message 49622.  

The 1000 events job produced a 756MB HITS-file to upload.
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Message 49626 - Posted: 24 Feb 2024, 2:33:33 UTC

I personally prefer the bigger jobs. From what I see, each ATLAS WU always has a 20-30 min idle setup time. Having more work per WU is going to help with efficiency quite a bit. It also seems to reduce the network usage on download side (from client).
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Message 49627 - Posted: 24 Feb 2024, 3:08:33 UTC - in response to Message 49626.  

I agree.
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Message 49629 - Posted: 24 Feb 2024, 7:20:37 UTC - in response to Message 49626.  

I personally prefer the bigger jobs. From what I see, each ATLAS WU always has a 20-30 min idle setup time. Having more work per WU is going to help with efficiency quite a bit. It also seems to reduce the network usage on download side (from client).

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Message 49631 - Posted: 24 Feb 2024, 8:54:34 UTC

I don't prefer these longrunners at all. 400 events is really the maximum. Better would be 200 events.
From the BOINC point of view:
Volunteer computing is meant for PC's not in use.
Not all volunteers have monster machines.

But the most important disadvantage of running ATLAS and/or CMS (up to 18hrs) jobs is that they need an uninterrupted network connection.
This also means that the tasks cannot be suspended or shutdown for more than 20 minutes maybe an hour.
A lot of crunchers want to shutdown their machines during evening / night to save electricity costs

This machine is running a 1000 events job on 4 cores and is already 26 hours busy and another 7 hours to go.
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Message 49632 - Posted: 24 Feb 2024, 8:57:45 UTC

I personally prefer the bigger jobs.

This has been discussed forth and back, and yes, there are volunteers with fast computers and fast internet running their systems 24/7 (including mine).
Those usually do not have problems even with 2000 eventers.

On the other hand:
- There are lots of computers that are not fast enough to finish large tasks within a reasonable time
- ATLAS (native) does not support suspend/resume, hence tasks start from scratch
- ATLAS generates huge upload files

Together with other points mentioned in the past those 500 eventers were accepted as compromise.

As for long setup times.
They are usually shorter in case of
- smaller EVNT files, less events
- a local HTTP proxy is used
- CVMFS is configured to use Cloudflare’s CDN


Especially on Linux a few cgroups tweaks via systemd can be set to ensure CPU cycles are not lost during an ATLAS setup but instead given to other running tasks.
This slightly slows down an individual task but increases the total throughput of the computer.
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Message 49634 - Posted: 24 Feb 2024, 10:23:43 UTC - in response to Message 49631.  

This machine is running a 1000 events job on 4 cores and is already 26 hours busy and another 7 hours to go.

What's about a venue for Events in preferences?
four or five venues (100, 200, 500, 1000, 2000).
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Message 49636 - Posted: 24 Feb 2024, 11:08:02 UTC - in response to Message 49632.  

Especially on Linux a few cgroups tweaks via systemd can be set to ensure CPU cycles are not lost during an ATLAS setup but instead given to other running tasks.
This slightly slows down an individual task but increases the total throughput of the computer.

More detail, please.
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