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Message 43890 - Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 15:21:07 UTC

Hi

As described [url=https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/forum_thread.php?id=5567
]in this topic[/url] (I initially thought the issue was only related to theory application) all the tasks are crashing on my new iMac with a NS_ERROR_FAILURE error, on any VB application.

Any idea ?

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Message 43958 - Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 19:50:52 UTC
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No idea about this problem ? I can't participate to LHC anymore :(

(For some reason the link was broken above)
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Message 43960 - Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 20:18:18 UTC
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Could be MacOSX issue but not sure. Mix of solution on google and virtualbox forum for this.
On linux it could be updated to kernel headers, reinstall or add dkms. Some solve it to move to anothe location or add extension.

Related to thread https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/forum_thread.php?id=5567

My post https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/forum_thread.php?id=5567&postid=43959
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Message 43961 - Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 20:21:56 UTC - in response to Message 43958.  

A minor issue (but not a show stopper):
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/show_host_detail.php?hostid=10675031
The GFLOPs values show exactly 1 GFLOPs, hence the BOINC benchmarks should be run.

2nd minor issue (also not a show stopper):
VirtualBox guest extensions should be installed.



Your main issue:
I didn't look deeper but the messages in your error log point out a permissions issue or an incomplete VirtualBox installation.
Similar discussions can be found in the VirtualBox forum.
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Message 43989 - Posted: 24 Dec 2020, 21:19:57 UTC
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Not sure if this is helpful as my hosts are Windows but I'll post anyway.
The website for a new bank account I set up insisted I install Trusteer Rapport security. I've been concentrating on Covid projects since the Spring so didn't notice any issues until I recently tried to run some VBox tasks here. All failed at VM startup. I had done nothing else to that host so I concluded that Rapport might be the cause, being overenthusiastic about its security role. Uninstalling it resolved the problem.
Maybe worth checking if an Antivirus or Security program is being similarly overprotective and exclude Boinc and VBox from its shields and scans if it allows that.
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Message 44006 - Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 19:20:24 UTC - in response to Message 43989.  

I had to uninstall the McAfee antivirus on both Windows 10 hosts where it had been loaded by HP because Atlas and Theory could not run with VirtualBox.
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Message 44032 - Posted: 31 Dec 2020, 15:27:11 UTC - in response to Message 43989.  

Not sure if this is helpful as my hosts are Windows but I'll post anyway.
The website for a new bank account I set up insisted I install Trusteer Rapport security. I've been concentrating on Covid projects since the Spring so didn't notice any issues until I recently tried to run some VBox tasks here. All failed at VM startup. I had done nothing else to that host so I concluded that Rapport might be the cause, being overenthusiastic about its security role. Uninstalling it resolved the problem.
Maybe worth checking if an Antivirus or Security program is being similarly overprotective and exclude Boinc and VBox from its shields and scans if it allows that.
Wow, your bank chose your security program? I'd have changed bank. No company tells me what to do with my computer.
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Message 44040 - Posted: 1 Jan 2021, 15:08:40 UTC - in response to Message 44032.  

You can see in the other topic that it's working now, for CMS.

I have a stock of theory + CMS + Atlas (+ also 6tracks non VB tasks) so I'll if all goes well.
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Message 44041 - Posted: 1 Jan 2021, 15:10:16 UTC

+ it's always better to exclude the boinc data directory (and main branch also, depending on your OS) from any antivirus.
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Message 44043 - Posted: 1 Jan 2021, 17:59:29 UTC - in response to Message 44041.  

+ it's always better to exclude the boinc data directory (and main branch also, depending on your OS) from any antivirus.
Windows 10, AVG Free, never had to exclude Boinc. All I've excluded is pirate serial generators.
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Message 44056 - Posted: 3 Jan 2021, 14:06:26 UTC

Any time I have heard of "antivirus + boinc" together in the past 15 years, it was about problems and not solutions :)
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Message 44058 - Posted: 3 Jan 2021, 16:17:24 UTC - in response to Message 44056.  

Any time I have heard of "antivirus + boinc" together in the past 15 years, it was about problems and not solutions :)

Having never had a virus in 25 years on the Internet, but having had to reinstall Windows several times due to antivirus file corruptions, I use only the most reliable AV's possible. That is usually Microsoft's, which is trouble-free for the most part. But I do most of my crunching on Linux, which avoids the problem anyway.
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Message 44059 - Posted: 3 Jan 2021, 18:27:40 UTC - in response to Message 44058.  

Any time I have heard of "antivirus + boinc" together in the past 15 years, it was about problems and not solutions :)

Having never had a virus in 25 years on the Internet, but having had to reinstall Windows several times due to antivirus file corruptions, I use only the most reliable AV's possible. That is usually Microsoft's, which is trouble-free for the most part. But I do most of my crunching on Linux, which avoids the problem anyway.
Microsoft's anti virus is well known for only spotting about 50% of viruses, it's as good as a chocolate teapot. There was a virus in the late 90s which would install itself as you were trying to install windows. You had to get a service pack on before connecting to the internet, as all it needed was an infected computer anywhere on the internet to randomly try your IP address and put it in. A major security hole in Windows of some kind. Might not have got past decent routers, but people had modems back then without built in firewalls. I encountered it where I worked in a University, which had a raw internet connection right to the socket in the room.

The only problem I've ever had with AV software is slowing the system down a bit. Or someone installing two of them and they fight.
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Message 44060 - Posted: 3 Jan 2021, 21:32:10 UTC - in response to Message 44059.  

The only problem I've ever had with AV software is slowing the system down a bit. Or someone installing two of them and they fight.

You haven't run all the TV recording programs and disk caches that I have, among others.
I can go without an AV entirely if I have to. I have found that if you don't install the viruses, you don't get them.
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Message 44061 - Posted: 3 Jan 2021, 22:00:56 UTC - in response to Message 44059.  

There was a virus in the late 90s which would install itself as you were trying to install windows. You had to get a service pack on before connecting to the internet, as all it needed was an infected computer anywhere on the internet to randomly try your IP address and put it in.

That was a port vulnerability (e.g., Code Red) that occurred before any AV could even be installed. You need to be behind a firewall first.
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Message 44063 - Posted: 4 Jan 2021, 18:16:10 UTC - in response to Message 44060.  

You haven't run all the TV recording programs and disk caches that I have, among others.
Anything goes wrong with AV, I can always exclude that program from its checking.

I can go without an AV entirely if I have to. I have found that if you don't install the viruses, you don't get them.
Indeed. They come only from:
Running the attachment in an email that's obviously a scam (Microsoft are half to blame for this - this nonsense about hiding the extension, so you get "Waterfall.jpg.exe" emailed to you, you see Waterfall.jpg, think it's a picture of a waterfall, and it actually runs the virus).
Or downloading pirate games/software. But then you can just check the file at Total Virus online, and it's scanned with 50 of them.
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Message 44064 - Posted: 4 Jan 2021, 18:17:31 UTC - in response to Message 44061.  

There was a virus in the late 90s which would install itself as you were trying to install windows. You had to get a service pack on before connecting to the internet, as all it needed was an infected computer anywhere on the internet to randomly try your IP address and put it in.

That was a port vulnerability (e.g., Code Red) that occurred before any AV could even be installed. You need to be behind a firewall first.
I just installed the patch to stop the vulnerability first, which in that case was a service pack. I downloaded the service pack on another machine and preinstalled it from a CD without putting it on the network. It was amazing how fast the virus got in.
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Message 44065 - Posted: 4 Jan 2021, 23:32:00 UTC - in response to Message 44063.  

Running the attachment in an email that's obviously a scam (Microsoft are half to blame for this - this nonsense about hiding the extension, so you get "Waterfall.jpg.exe" emailed to you, you see Waterfall.jpg, think it's a picture of a waterfall, and it actually runs the virus).
Yes I use MailWasher (free version works for me) to screen all my emails on the server before they even get to my machine.
https://www.mailwasher.net/
It is obvious what the spam is.
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Message 44069 - Posted: 5 Jan 2021, 18:52:48 UTC - in response to Message 44065.  

Running the attachment in an email that's obviously a scam (Microsoft are half to blame for this - this nonsense about hiding the extension, so you get "Waterfall.jpg.exe" emailed to you, you see Waterfall.jpg, think it's a picture of a waterfall, and it actually runs the virus).
Yes I use MailWasher (free version works for me) to screen all my emails on the server before they even get to my machine.
https://www.mailwasher.net/
It is obvious what the spam is.
My ISP (Plusnet in the UK) removes 99% of spam and viruses for me (I can turn it off or adjust it on their website). The 1% that get through I either filter with Opera Mail on my computer, or spot them manually and delete them. They're not dangerous, just tedious.

I used a relative's computer the other week, and was astonished at how much crap was all over a webpage I tried to use. I'd forgotten just how much my 11 adblockers remove.
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