1) Message boards : ATLAS application : 2000 Events Threadripper 3995WX (Message 49627)
Posted 24 Feb 2024 by Profile rbpeake
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I agree.
2) Message boards : ATLAS application : queue is empty (Message 48609)
Posted 22 Sep 2023 by Profile rbpeake
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They could have announced it on the forum and leave the decision to abort to the crunchers. They could also have tested them on the dev-site first. But it is what it is, there's no point in crying over spilled milk.
I wasn't aware Boinc had the facility to remotely abort a started task. Perhaps it's just other projects don't like doing so. I'm not sure why anyone would want to finish a task which is just going to be discarded at the project end.


Is the way to successfully complete these long units is to use more processors to accelerate completion time of the work unit? When does the "kill switch" appear, after about a day and a half of processing?

I just answered my own question. Both units were cancelled by the server at precisely 112,671.63 seconds.
3) Message boards : ATLAS application : queue is empty (Message 48543)
Posted 13 Sep 2023 by Profile rbpeake
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I recall that with the faster processing time, David was considering a 500-event work unit.
4) Message boards : ATLAS application : queue is empty (Message 48534)
Posted 11 Sep 2023 by Profile rbpeake
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Sounds good to me.

Thanks for picking this up this project!
5) Message boards : CMS Application : no new WUs available (Message 48507)
Posted 7 Sep 2023 by Profile rbpeake
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Thank goodness you are OK! Head injuries can be the worst, as we learned when the actor Bob Sagat died from a head injury resulting from a fall. I have been hoping for the best for you, and it's great to hear from you again!
6) Message boards : News : Server upgrade (Message 48470)
Posted 23 Aug 2023 by Profile rbpeake
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... Ivan isn't the only one running CMS ...
however, it looks like, doesn't it ?


It seems to be a typical bureaucratic organization where changes are implemented slowly, imho.
7) Message boards : ATLAS application : Virtual Box Error? (Message 48038)
Posted 26 Apr 2023 by Profile rbpeake
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Same error as described here:
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/forum_thread.php?id=5982&postid=47976
Same solution, except that here (so far only!) the ATLAS vdi is affected.

This worked great, thank you!

For another Windows machine, I get this message in the BOINC log
4/25/2023 8:15:20 PM | LHC@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
4/25/2023 8:15:20 PM | LHC@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
4/25/2023 8:15:21 PM | LHC@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
4/25/2023 8:15:21 PM | LHC@home | No tasks sent
4/25/2023 8:15:21 PM | LHC@home | No tasks are available for ATLAS Simulation

The project settings are for Atlas tasks, of which presently there are plenty. Weird.
8) Message boards : ATLAS application : Virtual Box Error? (Message 48034)
Posted 24 Apr 2023 by Profile rbpeake
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Does anyone know what the VM failure is in the log for this work unit?
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/result.php?resultid=392169401
2023-04-24 10:34:15 (19704): Adding virtual disk drive to VM. (ATLAS_vbox_3.01_image.vdi)
2023-04-24 10:34:22 (19704): Error in deregister parent vdi for VM: -2135228404
Command:
VBoxManage -q closemedium "C:\ProgramData\BOINC/projects/lhcathome.cern.ch_lhcathome/ATLAS_vbox_3.01_image.vdi"
Output:
VBoxManage.exe: error: Cannot close medium 'C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\lhcathome.cern.ch_lhcathome\ATLAS_vbox_3.01_image.vdi' because it has 1 child media
VBoxManage.exe: error: Details: code VBOX_E_OBJECT_IN_USE (0x80bb000c), component MediumWrap, interface IMedium, callee IUnknown
VBoxManage.exe: error: Context: "Close()" at line 1875 of file VBoxManageDisk.cpp

2023-04-24 10:34:22 (19704): Could not create VM
2023-04-24 10:34:22 (19704): ERROR: VM failed to start
2023-04-24 10:34:22 (19704): Powering off VM.
2023-04-24 10:34:22 (19704): Deregistering VM. (boinc_59cce48668c5a14b, slot#0)
2023-04-24 10:34:23 (19704): Removing network bandwidth throttle group from VM.
2023-04-24 10:34:23 (19704): Removing VM from VirtualBox.
9) Message boards : ATLAS application : ATLAS vbox and native 3.01 (Message 48002)
Posted 12 Apr 2023 by Profile rbpeake
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I can confirm we are now mostly running the Run 3 tasks. I asked for some test tasks here and got more than I thought :)

These tasks are processing 500 events but each event is faster than before so the overall run time should be only a little bit longer.

Also as you have noticed the console monitoring doesn’t work due to changes in the logging format. The “top” monitoring on Alt-F3 also shows a single python process instead of multiple athena.py processes.


Just idle curiosity, wondering what it is about the Run 3 tasks that make them run more efficiently than those of Run 2?
Thanks.
10) Message boards : ATLAS application : ATLAS vbox and native 3.01 (Message 47939)
Posted 29 Mar 2023 by Profile rbpeake
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Is the VM RAM size going to be adjusted eventually or will the current defaults be used because 3.01 can run 'Run 2' and 'Run 3'? Will the VM change the RAM assigned by 'Run 2' vs 'Run 3'?

The RAM size is set to 4000 MB independend of running tasks from run 2 or run 3.
It also doesn't matter whether you run single core vbox tasks or multi-core e.g. 4 or 8 cores.

Was it determined in years past that runs using 4 or more cores resulted in a sharp reduction in processing efficiency?
11) Message boards : ATLAS application : ATLAS vbox and native 3.01 (Message 47930)
Posted 28 Mar 2023 by Profile rbpeake
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I agree with this.

Thanks.
12) Message boards : ATLAS application : Endless Errors (Message 47866)
Posted 17 Mar 2023 by Profile rbpeake
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Keep getting errors (I have since put on No New Tasks) and so have other people.
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/results.php?hostid=10787099&offset=40&show_names=0&state=0&appid=
13) Message boards : ATLAS application : queue is empty (Message 47733)
Posted 26 Jan 2023 by Profile rbpeake
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The tasks that we crunch here are not results produced by LHC but simulations. So we are not depending on LHC running or not.

Be that as it may, I rather suspect what we crunch here is based on experimental reality. Otherwise, what is the point to any of it?


Simulations test the theory, which is then confirmed with reality. If reality does not match theory, then the theory is revised. So one can run simulations whether or not an experiment happens to be running at the same time.
14) Message boards : ATLAS application : No HITS File But Still Granted Credit? (Message 47566)
Posted 27 Nov 2022 by Profile rbpeake
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A few of my completed work units have not produced a HITS file but were still granted credit. Is this correct?

2022-11-27 16:22:00 (22224): Guest Log: No HITS file was produced
2022-11-27 16:22:00 (22224): Guest Log: Successfully finished the ATLAS job!
2022-11-27 16:22:00 (22224): Guest Log: Copying the results back to the shared directory!
15) Message boards : CMS Application : New Version 70.00 (Message 47491)
Posted 4 Nov 2022 by Profile rbpeake
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No, -dev was fine. It was the translation to the main project that threw up a problem.

Is it still OK to use this version? Or shall we switch to -dev until this gets sorted out?
Thanks.
16) Message boards : CMS Application : Is there a Native version in the pipeline? (Message 47110)
Posted 8 Aug 2022 by Profile rbpeake
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At the moment we are still in a development phase, but getting closer to real production running.

I am not clear what the terms development and real production mean in this context. Are the development results used by the greater CMS collaborative? One would assume so because CMS has been in the development phase for such a long time?

What will be the difference in the project when CMS moves to "real production"?

Thank you.
17) Message boards : ATLAS application : ATLAS vbox v2.02 (Message 47064)
Posted 3 Aug 2022 by Profile rbpeake
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Error while computing on 3 work units, Windows 11.

https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/result.php?resultid=361920060
18) Message boards : ATLAS application : Console monitoring (Message 46980)
Posted 6 Jul 2022 by Profile rbpeake
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We have added some information on the processed events in ATLAS tasks on consoles inside the VM.

To show the consoles, go to the advanced view of BOINC manager, select a running ATLAS task and you should see the button "Show VM Console" on the left menu. If you do not see this button you may need to install the VirtualBox extension pack and/or install remote desktop software such as CoRD on Mac OS or xfreerdp on Linux. There should be remote desktop software included by default on Windows but maybe someone else can confirm this.

When you click "Show VM Console" you should see a terminal window with a login prompt. If you press Alt-F2 (Alt-Fn-F2 on Mac) you should see a screen like this:



NOTE you will only see this information after the task has been running for some time, i.e. has simulated at least 1 event. So please wait up to 30 minutes for information to appear.

This output shows the number of events processed by each core, as well as the time per event and the average time per event so far. Each core has its own independent counter which is why you see the event numbers repeated. In the example there are 4 cores and with 100 events per task each core will process 25 events each. This information therefore can give you an estimate of how long the task will run.

We are working on putting the "top" output into console 3 (Alt-F3) but it doesn't quite work perfectly yet.


I can't get this to work. Does it remain a valid procedure?
Thanks.
19) Message boards : ATLAS application : Console monitoring (Message 46979)
Posted 6 Jul 2022 by Profile rbpeake
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[Repeated]
20) Message boards : ATLAS application : ATLAS vbox v2.01 (Message 46940)
Posted 27 Jun 2022 by Profile rbpeake
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There seem to be a lot of errors generally. Mine have all errored-out, and typically several people before me have also errored-out. Because the errors occur within the first 20 minutes or so, a lot of the volume of work is not being successfully completed.


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