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 MiskaSend message Joined: 30 Dec 05 Posts: 1 Credit: 13,154 RAC: 0 |
are we running out of work soon? As you can see works ready to crunch is decreasing quite rapidly (yesterday over 300000 and now 177701). |
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Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 60 Credit: 4,221 RAC: 0 |
Good Observation! I do not know. Maybe? are we running out of work soon? As you can see works ready to crunch is decreasing quite rapidly |
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Send message Joined: 10 Dec 05 Posts: 12 Credit: 8,932 RAC: 0 |
are we running out of work soon? As you can see works ready to crunch is decreasing quite rapidly I've noticed that as well, now down to about 158,000. Even if it goes dormant again for a few weeks it's been a pleasure to be able to participate in the projects, just wish I could participate in the LHC Alpha too. |
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Send message Joined: 10 Dec 05 Posts: 12 Credit: 8,932 RAC: 0 |
Ignore, finger twitched when I went to click on Post Reply. |
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Send message Joined: 16 Jul 05 Posts: 84 Credit: 1,875,851 RAC: 0 |
I'm sure > 50 % of that units are not done yet, because they were eaten by monster caches. 0_o Linux Users Everywhere @ BOINC [url=http://lhcathome.cern.ch/team_display.php?teamid=717] |
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Paul D. Buck Send message Joined: 2 Sep 04 Posts: 545 Credit: 148,912 RAC: 0 |
The historical pattern is to have "waves" of work, where a couple hundred thousand work units will be created and mostly issued, then another wave, if any, is added. After all the main waves have been issued and mostly returned, the "clean up" runs for a little bit where smaller batches are scavenged of work that is still incomplete (no quorum). |
 Send message Joined: 2 Sep 04 Posts: 165 Credit: 146,925 RAC: 0 |
Then there is a downtime of a few days / weeks, and more is issued. I suspect that this pattern will continue until the construction is complete. At which point, I hope that we will be given some of the particle tracks to follow.   BOINC WIKI |
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Send message Joined: 9 Nov 05 Posts: 45 Credit: 20,379 RAC: 0 |
The historical pattern is to have "waves" of work, where a couple hundred thousand work units will be created and mostly issued, then another wave, if any, is added. After all the main waves have been issued and mostly returned, the "clean up" runs for a little bit where smaller batches are scavenged of work that is still incomplete (no quorum). It leaves those who have done work waiting some weeks to pick up those last credits :D BOINC@Hull . xfire . mySpace 
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Send message Joined: 16 Jul 05 Posts: 22 Credit: 4,438 RAC: 0 |
Then there is a downtime of a few days / weeks, and more is issued. I suspect that this pattern will continue until the construction is complete. At which point, I hope that we will be given some of the particle tracks to follow. How the hell would they be able to convert 1.2 gigabytes/s of work into to several kilobytes for us to be able to work. The work unti would pile up to much. Thats why they are creating the Grid. It can handle that kinda crazy power out put.  
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Paul D. Buck Send message Joined: 2 Sep 04 Posts: 545 Credit: 148,912 RAC: 0 |
[How the hell would they be able to convert 1.2 gigabytes/s of work into to several kilobytes for us to be able to work. The work unti would pile up to much. Thats why they are creating the Grid. It can handle that kinda crazy power out put. Which is exactly what BOINC is ... a grid computing solution. I have the room on disk, I have 9 reasonably fast computers, the cost is right, the only question is if this is the way they want to do the work... I think that if the DID start, and allowed more sign-ups ... we would continue to grow ... many don't do LHC@Home because the work is so intermittent ... |
Rebirther Send message Joined: 18 Sep 04 Posts: 18 Credit: 26,904 RAC: 0 |
And the deadline is too short... |
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Paul D. Buck Send message Joined: 2 Sep 04 Posts: 545 Credit: 148,912 RAC: 0 |
And the deadline is too short... It is what the project needs/desires ... not what we would like ... |
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Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 60 Credit: 4,221 RAC: 0 |
[How the hell would they be able to convert 1.2 gigabytes/s of work into to several kilobytes for us to be able to work. The work unti would pile up to much. Thats why they are creating the Grid. It can handle that kinda crazy power out put. ----------------------------------------------- I looked in the top 100 stats for boinc. Out of the top 100 crunchers crunching for more than one project, less than 5 were donating time to LHC. Of those users, most were donating less than 10 percent of their resources. WOW! Interesting to me! |
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Paul D. Buck Send message Joined: 2 Sep 04 Posts: 545 Credit: 148,912 RAC: 0 |
Yeah, and I probably fell off the list ... I seemed to have dropped 12 in world position in just the last week ... And I am ONLY giving LHC 21.61% ... it would be more if I was not trying to get EAH over SETI ... if I had REAL confidence that LHC would become a more "steady" project I would probably have given more here ... but, I don't have hopes I could realistically get enough work to get LHC over SETI before they run out of work ... And, so, i do other projects a lot too ... |
Yeti Send message Joined: 2 Sep 04 Posts: 455 Credit: 201,266,333 RAC: 9,771    |
HM, I'm participating in nearly all BOINC-Projects. When LHC sends work, I switch all other projects to "no new work". So, if LHC has work, my boxes concentrate on LHC :-)  Supporting BOINC, a great concept ! |
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Keck_Komputers Send message Joined: 1 Sep 04 Posts: 275 Credit: 2,652,452 RAC: 0 |
HM, I'm participating in nearly all BOINC-Projects. I just set it and forget it. I usually build up LTD in the outages and therefore normally have work when it is available. BOINC WIKI   BOINCing since 2002/12/8 |
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Ananas Send message Joined: 17 Jul 05 Posts: 102 Credit: 542,016 RAC: 0 |
If LTD is the same as <debt>, then at least 4.19 does not increase it while no work is available. I'm attached to Orbit for quite some time now and never had anything but 0.000 in the <debt> entry. Same for SZTAKI while it didn't give me work, it went to 0.000 and stayed there. |
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Send message Joined: 9 Nov 05 Posts: 45 Credit: 20,379 RAC: 0 |
HM, I'm participating in nearly all BOINC-Projects. Me too =D Mind you, there is now less than 15k WU left :'( BOINC@Hull . xfire . mySpace
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Send message Joined: 2 Sep 04 Posts: 165 Credit: 146,925 RAC: 0 |
If LTD is the same as <debt>, then at least 4.19 does not increase it while no work is available. I'm attached to Orbit for quite some time now and never had anything but 0.000 in the <debt> entry. Same for SZTAKI while it didn't give me work, it went to 0.000 and stayed there. 4.19 was before the split between Short Term Debt and Long Term Debt. What was used in 4.19 is Short Term Debt and was called Debt. BOINC WIKI |
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Send message Joined: 13 Jul 05 Posts: 456 Credit: 75,142 RAC: 0 |
If LTD is the same as <debt>, then at least 4.19 does not increase it while no work is available. I'm attached to Orbit for quite some time now and never had anything but 0.000 in the <debt> entry. Same for SZTAKI while it didn't give me work, it went to 0.000 and stayed there. With the latest clients LTD behaves differently depending if +ve or -ve. Large -ve debt means a project gets temporarily barred from seeking work, in effect it has had more than its fair share in the past. This will reduce to zero as the other projects work through their +ve debt, irrespective of whether the barred project has work. If you think about this it is obvious - if the client is not asking project X for work it doesn't know there is none. When the debt is close to zero or greater than zero, the project starts asking for work, and LTD then does not increase further whether there is work or not. LTD only increases past zero when *other* projects start hogging the cpu in EDF mode. I guess what John Keck is seeing is that his computers download enough LHC units to go into EDF and build up a negative debt while there is work, and that the gaps in LHC work allow debt to "rise" back to zero. Or just maybe he is using an old client - there was at least one release where the debt went on rising past zero when there was no work - a behaviour I preferred but apparently others shouted it down so it got changed (but that is a different argument) 
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