81) Message boards : Number crunching : FUBAR! (Message 13645)
Posted 17 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
Post:
What admin?

82) Message boards : Number crunching : can't find workunit (Message 13642)
Posted 17 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
Post:
Same problem here - and for the first time I now seem to have a result assigned to me that I haven't actually received.

Every BOINC project has hiccups and problems from time to time. Every other BOINC project has an admin team to look after it and sort it out.

As an LHC die hard it pains me to say this, but the project as it stands doesn't inspire confidence. Maybe now is the time to call it a day here and concentrate on other projects.
83) Message boards : Number crunching : Suggestion (Message 13620)
Posted 14 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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and then there are the people who don't read the front page........


And there are also the people who don't read the forums. Elsewhere in these boards you will find:

This idea has been suggested before.

There are no admins at present.

Even the admins (when there are some) don't know when the work's coming.

84) Message boards : Number crunching : WU's not being recognised by BOINC (Message 13619)
Posted 14 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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My advice: leave well alone.

There are enough complaints about ghost results, orphaned results, usw. without risking adding to the mess by manually fiddling with the client state files.

If you have lost the work, that's too bad. The redundancy built into BOINC will see to it that the units are re-issued if necessary.
85) Message boards : Number crunching : O.K., I'm New! No Work?? (Message 13609)
Posted 13 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
Post:

From what I have been able to find out, sometimes there is a long wait for available work from LHC. I hope there will be more, and that I will be able to contribute again.


There is a long wait sometimes - sometimes it's only a day or two. Unfortunately there's no rhyme or reason to this. Even the LHC administrators (although there aren't any at present) don't know when there will be work.

The work is submitted by a physicist in Canada, through an automated system, so it's sometimes difficult to get a clear idea of when work is available.

Meanwhile, do the best thing: crunch something else!

Happy crunching!


86) Message boards : Number crunching : O.K., I'm New! No Work?? (Message 13606)
Posted 13 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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I think the best thing is to detach and start again. I assume that the Robert Williamson account is not yours. Maybe you should detach, create a new account under a name that has no confusion - RC Williamson, or perhaps, Williamson-the-Destroyer maybe? ;)

Make sure the email address you use matches exactly (case sensitive!) the email address you use elesewhere so that your cross-project ID ties up properly.

Then reattach with the new account credentials. You'll lose a small amount of credit associated with your defunct account, but hey - you're not getting it anyway!


87) Message boards : Number crunching : O.K., I'm New! No Work?? (Message 13587)
Posted 12 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
Post:

Greetings: O.K., according to the front page...
Server Status

Up, 16178 workunits to crunch
66315 workunits in progress
43 concurrent connections

So why am I not getting any work units? I'm crunching SETI@home and Einstein@home with no problem, but no work units from LHC@home. Am I missing something here?


Post something from your message log - that might give us a clue.
88) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 5.4.9 new recomended version released (Message 13578)
Posted 12 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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Get it while it's hot!!!



And risk getting burned?


89) Message boards : Number crunching : LHC@home Alpha? (Message 13557)
Posted 11 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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You can't join LHC Alpha. LHC Alpha is a closed project, and at present there are no plans invite more alpha testers.
90) Questions and Answers : Windows : Project URL (Message 13546)
Posted 10 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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The project URL is http://lhcathome.cern.ch. Happy crunching!

BTW - there's no work available at present.
91) Message boards : Cafe LHC : The 12 Universal Keys of GOD LAST UPDATE 1.07 (Message 13520)
Posted 6 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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I don't claim to understand what these people are on about. There's no science here nor any facts, other than the rather obvious decimal representations of vulgar fractions.

I note that neither of the gentlemen in question have submitted any results, and I also notice that the original posting appeared (albeit briefly) on almost every other BOINC site, and has been removed on almost all of them.

If it IS a joke then it has lost everything in the translation. Neither English nor French versions contain any discernible humour. Sorry - I don't speak Arabic.

Whatever the motivation for these nonsensical postings they will be treated by me henceforth with the indifference they deserve.


92) Message boards : Cafe LHC : Plans in the making (Message 13518)
Posted 6 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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Honored Crunchers,
Instead of a shotgun, how about a BB gun (single shot partical beam) where the contact points were guaranteed from 3,5, or 6 different directions?
Is it possible?



Two reasons why this won't work:

It would be impractical to build a machine of sufficent power to make this worthwhile.

Secondly, and more importantly, the extremely small size of the particles involved would make it impossible to guarantee a result. Think of the differences in scale between the electromagnets and other hardware required to build the machine, and the size of the particles. You'd be talking of tolerances in billionths of 1%, or smaller.

Even in the existing particle beam accelerators most particles just fly straight through the collision points. Collisions are a very rare event, and only happen in reasonable numbers because there are many many many opportunities.

93) Message boards : Number crunching : Request for database cleanup (Message 13509)
Posted 5 May 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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This is primarily for the admins of this project but feel free to chime in if you have something to add :)


It's unclear whether we have an admin on this project at present. Chrulle has left for pastures new, and no new name has appeared. Ben Segal has overall responsibility for the project, but he's not involved on a day to day basis. Other names I have seen associated with the technical background either haven't been seen for a long time, or have no involvement beyond the application development role, or both.


the staff of seti@home have battled with this problem several times


Here's the real issue behind some of the maintenance you ask for: it's not easy. Previous requests of this type have been turned down because the solution could introduce more problems than it fixes. It would be nice to think that the downtime could be used to tidy things up, but the reality is that there's no resource available to do it.

94) Message boards : Number crunching : Is the user base/project participants growing a bit too large, for our server? (Message 13477)
Posted 29 Apr 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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First of all sorry for the typing.
Secondly when I did have those projects they all said that either the project was down or that there was no more work. Since then I have discarded those projects and I usually don't run the program when on batteries but I always have it on run always so that that should not be a problem.


Can you post the last few messages from your stdout file? That should shed some light on why you aren't getting work. It's possible that the amount of time you have your laptop on may not allow it to finish work unit before the deadline.

95) Message boards : Number crunching : Is the user base/project participants growing a bit too large, for our server? (Message 13467)
Posted 27 Apr 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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I have a concern. I like the project. but I find that I haven't recieved any work since my initial project. Would there be a way to help with my predicament.


Add another project and crunch that at a low priority while LHC is out of work. Easy!
96) Message boards : Number crunching : Is the user base/project participants growing a bit too large, for our server? (Message 13462)
Posted 26 Apr 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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Once the wu are available, how long does it take to finish one on average?

Say on a P4...



Reckon on 3 - 4 hours on a P4 of 2.6GHz or faster. Most WUs are 100,000 turns, but sometimes 1,000,000 turn WUs are issued which take around 10 times as long (oddly!). WUs can also finish very quickly (in seconds or minutes) if the stability of the simulated beam is poor.

97) Message boards : LHC@home Science : LHC group should lobby the MUON1 screen saver people over to BOINC (Message 13460)
Posted 26 Apr 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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The LHC group should lobby the MUON1 (nutreno reseach) screen saver people over to BOINC.

This could solve the LHC "work not avalable" problem.

MUON1 seems to be fully debugged -- just not fully compliant with BOINC technology.

The changeover to BOINC could be trival for MUON1.
The current X86-XP binary is under 250k.

CERN should provision the moveover to BOINC as BOINC is better than 'homebrew' setups for distributed computing.

BOINC's design flaws keep disappearing with new version upgrades -- albeit MAC and LINUX / UNIX versions are essentally free of overt design flaws.


Why should CERN do this? Why would they want to?

There is no LHC work not available "problem".

Geek - you need to think before you post.

Oh - and btw I looked at your web site. From what you have posted here I can't imagine why anyone would employ you.

98) Message boards : Number crunching : Please merge my computers (database crash) (Message 13458)
Posted 26 Apr 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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During downtime it should be manditory to freeze the creation of new users -- and existing users should be forced to logon and do limited and seletive account maintance.


I don't want to be 'forced' to do anything when I offer my resources for free.

Maybe HireMe.geek.nz should be forced to attend a residential social skills course ;-)

99) Message boards : Team invites : LHC@home Alpha - I want to join :( (Message 13453)
Posted 25 Apr 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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As it stands, no - you can't join.

As far as I know there are no plans to recruit more alpha testers on LHC.
100) Message boards : Number crunching : "In progress" means ?? (Message 13444)
Posted 25 Apr 2006 by Gaspode the UnDressed
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When there is such a small number remaining why not just send these work units out to a few more computers to speed things up a bit? Or does it not really matter because the next batch isn't ready to be sent out to us anyway?


The problem with your suggestion is that it requires a manual intervention by CERN staff to do it. With a system as involved as BOINC, wading in to do the job by hand can cause more problems than it solves. This is why orphaned units tend to be left in the databases. There's plenty of other work for the CERN people to do, so a delay of a couple of days getting the results back isn't a problem.




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