1) Message boards : Theory Application : Theory simulation takes way too long (Message 50071)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
I don't mind getting the long Theory tasks and have had many over the years here and at -dev

But this is the first one like this https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/result.php?resultid=410306756

Computer ID 10824117
Run time 3 hours 49 min 47 sec
CPU time 22 hours 35 min 32 sec
Validate state Valid
Credit 119.70

I guess it wanted to be like the muti-core cms
2) Message boards : CMS Application : CMS@Home difficulties in attempts to prepare for multi-core jobs (Message 50003)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
We talk about Windows here.

For many years you don't get the point:
CMS runs inside a Linux VM.
That Linux VM is the very same on a Windows host, on a (any) Linux host and even on Apple.


CMS need a correct functionally TCP/IP connection.
After 15 min. without connection, they are canceled.

Feel free to try to explain anything you want, but nobody forces you to explain things you obviously don't understand.

Everyone knows that and now you even talk to yourself.......only good thing is it magically made my microwave communications run full speed for some late night reason (another thing you faked like you were an expert at) we all know the reason we even started using Oracle VirtualBox back in 2011 was to work together with the CERN linux servers not just for fun and to repeatedly say VM or Linux every chance we get
3) Message boards : CMS Application : CMS@Home difficulties in attempts to prepare for multi-core jobs (Message 50000)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
I'm only getting single core at the moment. For me time to stop testing . . .

Same here......Gute Nacht
4) Message boards : CMS Application : CMS@Home difficulties in attempts to prepare for multi-core jobs (Message 49998)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
Magic Quantum Mechanic wrote:
((Lots of text)) ...
I just love typing in the dark at 2am)

Lots of text to comment a post that wasn't for you.
Would have been better to type while light is switched on.


But then you mysteriously sort of answered my question and I am used to you even at github
And I suppose I shouldn't have quoted you since you tend to........
5) Message boards : CMS Application : CMS@Home difficulties in attempts to prepare for multi-core jobs (Message 49995)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
Right. Hence, an updated vbox64_mt_mcore_cms app should be published.
ATLAS follows these scheme but it somehow got lost for CMS.


AH HA.....now see that is what I was talking about Steff....I didn't have that problem with the few Atlas I ran but CMS doesn't like to behave (maybe Windows too)
OK that does look cleaner
6) Message boards : CMS Application : CMS@Home difficulties in attempts to prepare for multi-core jobs (Message 49994)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
......as I said I just wish here that we could run a seperate vdi for CMS singles and CMS multi because I have watched the same host switch back and forth without asking it to do that or changing the settings
CMS Simulation v70.20 (vbox64)
windows_x86_64 to
CMS Simulation v60.70 (vbox64_mt_mcore_cms)
windows_x86_64
and at -dev that never happens and will just stay running what we ask it to as far as number of cores per task
When I changed that host from 8-core multi here to a 4 core multi it instead just gives me a single core task when it is set to get 2 four core tasks (which is what I said in my post} it changed that vdi on its own to CMS Simulation v70.20 (vbox64)
windows_x86_64

I just love typing in the dark at 2am but I still hate linux)
7) Message boards : CMS Application : CMS@Home difficulties in attempts to prepare for multi-core jobs (Message 49992)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
.... and I have tried complete clean reinstalls of everything and they will d/l the vdi and then the tasks just crash.....so I have to keep track of which Theory or CMS will run on them from here and -dev)
I had the same a few days ago. See my posts in this thread. First I got the CMS_2022_09_07.vdi what was an exact copy of the dev- project with the same UUID causing the crashes.
I resetted the dev-project and removed the vdi from Media Manager. Thereafter I had a valid result with CMS_2022_09_07.vdi. Suddenly a new task needed the prod-version of the vdi (CMS_2022_09_07_prod.vdi) , that wasn't there. I resetted the project again.
I suppose the CMS-settings on the production server wasn't setup very well.


Yes that is the same thing for me and I thought you may see that since you were over there too CP
Not a big deal to me since the whole point is so they run right for members here without problems.
8) Message boards : CMS Application : CMS@Home difficulties in attempts to prepare for multi-core jobs (Message 49984)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
It sure would be nice if single core and multi-core were made separate from each other in the settings
I had one set to run 8 cores and it does this https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/result.php?resultid=409980514

And if I try 4 cores it switches back to CMS Simulation v70.20 (vbox64)
windows_x86_64
(again just now)

And then over at -dev they run what I want them to run with CMS Simulation v60.70 (vbox64_mt_mcore_cms)
windows_x86_64

(and another problem is I have three matching 8-core hosts and some will run here and not at -dev and the exact opposite too and I have tried complete clean reinstalls of everything and they will d/l the vdi and then the tasks just crash.....so I have to keep track of which Theory or CMS will run on them from here and -dev)
9) Message boards : LHC@home Science : The Mechanical Universe...And Beyond (Message 49978)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
10) Message boards : CMS Application : CMS@Home difficulties in attempts to prepare for multi-core jobs (Message 49975)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
We have non believers CP ?
11) Message boards : CMS Application : CMS@Home difficulties in attempts to prepare for multi-core jobs (Message 49973)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/result.php?resultid=409980539

https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/result.php?resultid=409923306

https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/result.php?resultid=409860352
(all same host)

I keep trying a clean install of the CMS multi here on another host that is exactly the same as the one that works and it keeps giving me

Application
CMS Simulation 70.20 (vbox64)
Name
CMS_607434_1713506482.423690
State
Downloading
Received
4/18/2024 11:16:04 PM
Report deadline
5/18/2024 11:16:02 PM
Estimated computation size
1,000,000 GFLOPs
Executable
vboxwrapper_26206_windows_x86_64.exe
12) Message boards : LHC@home Science : The Mechanical Universe...And Beyond (Message 49948)
Posted 16 days ago by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/caltech-remembers-david-goodstein

Professor David Goodstein April 5, 1939 - April 10, 2024

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mechanical_Universe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Goodstein
13) Message boards : CMS Application : CMS@Home difficulties in attempts to prepare for multi-core jobs (Message 49818)
Posted 22 Mar 2024 by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
Yes and I have both versions running right now.
14) Message boards : LHC@home Science : LHC schedule changed (Message 49809)
Posted 21 Mar 2024 by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
LINAC 4 down again
15) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Cern (Message 49586)
Posted 17 Feb 2024 by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
This week my wish is all the Sixtracks would go to my hosts first like they did in 2004 - 2007
16) Message boards : CMS Application : no new WUs available (Message 49528)
Posted 12 Feb 2024 by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
NICE
Good thing I am always awake after 2am
17) Message boards : CMS Application : Could not get X509 credentials (Message 49514)
Posted 11 Feb 2024 by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
Yeah lately when anything changes it isn't any better so I tried a new one and get the same thing
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/result.php?resultid=406018618
And I even wasted a long time doing a new Oracle update and a reset here and d/l the vdi again and at first it looks like it is going to work and then we get that repeated *credential* failure.
18) Message boards : CMS Application : no new WUs available (Message 49478)
Posted 9 Feb 2024 by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
well I couldn't sleep until I went upstairs and got this current running snap shot and as I mentioned the CMS don't run this the same as it used to and the Theory tasks do still give us the running logs there.....and this is after running 13 hours and at 66.5%


goodnight
19) Message boards : CMS Application : no new WUs available (Message 49477)
Posted 9 Feb 2024 by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
[quote]I just checked the two I started 7 hours ago and this time they are still running but still stuck at
*application starting check log files* and the ones doing this before just stopped after an hour running and sent back since they didn't run the CPU run time more than the usual less than 10 minutes.....so I will just let them run and see what happens.

application starting check log files
After this message, you can do this
You can in Boincmanager for the CMS Task open the Graphic Button.
After this, your Browser opens a new page.
There are Information also for this task.


LOL I have checked thousands of my tasks doing that Axel......every single VB task I have run I watch them by doing that.
and the entire Run time 13 hours 53 min 5 sec on that page it never got past *application starting check log files*
But last month they did some update so you can't get the same version of the log with a CMS as they used to be so you had to check another tab there but not the running log tab
https://lhcathomedev.cern.ch/lhcathome-dev/result.php?resultid=3302911
This one did finally have the info on the stderr instead of watching that other url so until the one tonight they were all doing this here and at -dev https://lhcathomedev.cern.ch/lhcathome-dev/result.php?resultid=3302801

That is the one I mentioned and it finished and sent it in BUT it still stayed at *application starting check log files*
And all the ones before that didn't actually run and were sent back after one hour runs and less than 10 minutes CPU time.
Before this started they always * Requesting an idtoken from LHC@home*
I only have one running now doing the same thing and since it is 4;20am I better wait until later to try again and see if they will actually run a job (oh and I always take snap shots of logs so I have thousands of those too)
20) Message boards : CMS Application : no new WUs available (Message 49472)
Posted 9 Feb 2024 by Profile Magic Quantum Mechanic
Post:
Yes, but only for Linux PC's.


I knew when I said it was working it would be a jinx
Well it worked for 2 days (same happened with Theory)

I just checked the two I started 7 hours ago and this time they are still running but still stuck at
*application starting check log files* and the ones doing this before just stopped after an hour running and sent back since they didn't run the CPU run time more than the usual less than 10 minutes.....so I will just let them run and see what happens.


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