1) Message boards : Number crunching : Why are you picking UOTD that have no credit ??? (Message 20957)
Posted 12 Jan 2009 by EclipseHA
The last 2 days have seen 2 UOTD that have 0 -- ZERO -- NIL -- NADA credit. I think you should have work completed to be UOTD imho.

Who cares.....

I'm more concerned about the 10's of pages of "pending" (0.0xx) WU
WUs and the ability to merge delete old computers.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Very short Intel computation vs. normal AMD (Message 20349)
Posted 14 Sep 2008 by EclipseHA
This sure sounds like one of the WU\'s \"hit the wall\" early on, and the other one completed all it\'s turns. (still 100,000, I believe).

A fair number of WU\'s on this project complete in just a few seconds - the beam hits the wall! There\'s no error in the WU processing, and it\'s valid data.
3) Message boards : Number crunching : The project giveth then taketh away (Message 19925)
Posted 13 Aug 2008 by EclipseHA
It seems that the WUs are all very short right now (hit the wall in a few seconds)...

So, there are many cases of "canceled by server", as other users can start and finish in a matter of seconds

They'll only be canceled if they haven't started yet (that is my understanding at least), so with "real" WUs, the chance of being canceled should go down.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : The new look bugs (Message 19876)
Posted 5 Aug 2008 by EclipseHA
If you go to Tasks, and then try to select a WU, you get
the following error:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function get_int() in /srv/httpd/lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/html/user/workunit.php on line 8

This was on a result that I completed on Aug 4.

It's the same for all WU's - even the old ones.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Well, those pesky 0.00x pending WU's are still here...... (Message 19815)
Posted 19 Jul 2008 by EclipseHA
Doesn't look like the server upgrade did anything about the 5+ pages of these I have!

6) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok are the sysops on holiday? (Message 19723)
Posted 17 Jun 2008 by EclipseHA
Seems per the server status, upload/download is down, 419 are waiting for the transitionor, and about 400 WU's have been outstanding for a week....
7) Message boards : Number crunching : WUs being rejected? Very short processing time. (Message 19649)
Posted 22 May 2008 by EclipseHA

Long time crunchers have seen many of these "hit the wall" WU's, and it's far from uncommon. It's part of the science too....

The thing to note, is if the requested credit is something like 0.00xxxx, they'll stay marked as "pending' forever... I haven't counted for awhile, but I have many more than 100!

Don't bother asking about ridding yourself of these long term pending... Many folks have been asking the sysops for a lonnnnnnnnnnnng time...
8) Message boards : Number crunching : How often does LHC shut down? (Message 19407)
Posted 14 Apr 2008 by EclipseHA
There are folks (in canada last I heard) that submit the work when they need something done. This is done without sysops even being involved. We've gone months with no work at all..

The outage, like we're seing now, seems to happen when some of the server code just shuts down for some reason, and doesn't get fixed until someone gets to work. The server code for this project is REALLY old, but they don't plan on upgrading it.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Short-running WU ( 13 to 30 seconds) Is this OK??? (Message 19286)
Posted 21 Mar 2008 by EclipseHA
if your WU only ran a short time, the beam hit the wall..

If it claimed less than 0.01 credits, you'll be able to remember it for a long, long, long time, as it will stay in a "pending" state in your results list!

I've got pages of these 0.00x "pending" WU's from the last year or so.... :(
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Stil a pending credit (Message 19230)
Posted 14 Mar 2008 by EclipseHA
I'm wondering how soon my pending credit for 0.00x work units will catch up with my RAC!

Come on sysops! We've been asking for a clean up of the Database for about 6 months!

Can you at least post something? Even if it's "screw off - not our job!"

(I guess we can infer that, as you've not said anything about it.....)

My oldest "moldy" will be turning 3 in a few weeks, and he walks, talks and is toilet trained! His first words were "clean me!"
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Oldest molding/untouched credit awards (Message 19066)
Posted 23 Feb 2008 by EclipseHA
Oldest "moldy":

30 Apr 2005 3:06:46 UTC, #139705 (you can not look this WU ID)

Second oldest:

11 May 2005 10:04:10 UTC, #229773 (like the one above)
12) Message boards : Number crunching : What's with the tiny work units? (Message 18996)
Posted 8 Feb 2008 by EclipseHA
The latest batch of WU's could be 1,000,000 turn vs 100,000 turn.

We used to get those in the past.

Needless to say, the 1m turn took about 10x as long as the 100k turn.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Stil a pending credit (Message 18930)
Posted 30 Jan 2008 by EclipseHA
Hi. Just thought I'd troll in with an annoying comment:

I have a few old pending credits.....
and I don't give a rat's ass whether or not I get paid.

You can't buy a car with BOINC credits.
Bragging rights are for the emotionally frail.

Love the scientific work you do, and shut the f**k up.

Oops! That wasn't so cute.
Maybe, with some luck, I will again be regarded as one of the "Most Fearless" Crunchers on LHC.


[Love & Kisses] . . . ;}*

It's not about getting the credit, but it's more of a "tidy things up" request..

Right now, I got about 4+ pages of the 0.00xx pending WU's, and another page or so of "moldy ones" (credit granted, but they don't go away!)

Just think of the 1000's or even 100's of thousands of "weird and old" records in the database.

Part of any science is to keep your lab clean and organized. I liek the science, but seems the DB is a bit of a mess.....
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Whoo-Hoo... W-Uuu's (Message 18929)
Posted 30 Jan 2008 by EclipseHA
LHC has been providing a fair amount of work the last month or two...

Some of us remember the months where nothing was going on!
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Moldy results (Message 18872)
Posted 24 Jan 2008 by EclipseHA
My oldest "moldy" result is from April of 2005!
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Claimed 0 credits - still pending after all 5 results received (Message 18867)
Posted 22 Jan 2008 by EclipseHA
I'm just wondering.. have the sysadmins even acknowleged this problem? It's been going on for months, and I now have close to 4 pages (80) of these 0.00xx pending WU's!

Come on sysadmins.. give us even a one liner on this!
17) Message boards : Number crunching : cannot merge hosts :-( (Message 18845)
Posted 17 Jan 2008 by EclipseHA
for some reason i cannot merge 2 hosts that are actually the same machine after a re-install.


are actuallly the same machine as alll the specs show...

however when i click merge this host there are no other options to merge it with, strange as every other project seems to let me do this...

The project server SW needs to be upgraded to allow proper functionality.

And the pending 0.00xx WU's need to be dealt with by the project admins. Cant merge a host with something pending! The original poster has 7 of these on one host, and one on the other.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Claimed 0 credits - still pending after all 5 results received (Message 18776)
Posted 2 Jan 2008 by EclipseHA
"let 0.00xx workunits be deleted and never brought to mind,
May Neasan and Alex find the time, in these days of Auld Lang Syne!" :)
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Claimed 0 credits - still pending after all 5 results received (Message 18751)
Posted 21 Dec 2007 by EclipseHA
All I want for Xmas is to get rid of the 60+ 0.00x pending results I have in my list!
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Stil a pending credit (Message 18626)
Posted 20 Nov 2007 by EclipseHA

I understand that there are 2 different causes to the "zombie" WU's.. I've got about 30 of the 0.00xx pending, and maybe 20 of the "long lost granted" WU's (and two that errored out long ago...).

In both cases, however, it does incdicate a cleanup is in order!

Actually, there are 3 causes (missing WU header, validated without assimilation, and quorum formed without validation).

I only reacted to your post because it seemed to me that "cleanup" means "delete" for you. If that is not the case, sorry...


Delete, in the case of the zombies prior to the server move, does seem correct to me.. Heck, they're lost in the ozone! (preserving credits however)..

The "pendings" 0.00xxx aren't being used for anything right now, including ones from data runs 6 months ago!

They can fix the validator to give me my (in total .05) credit, or blast them.. I really don't care. As they are from "stale/old" data runs, I'll bet the data isn't real important to LHC either.

They can cleanup this stuff in anyway the project team wishes (delete or try to process), but that's their call - not yours or mine! All I know is that having a multipage bogus list of results is a pain..... I got stuff attached to a system I haven't even powered up in a year that prevents me from deleting that computer.

I'm just suggesting that a cleanup is in order! It's up to the project staff to determine the best way to do that....

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