LHC@home

Hello crunchers,

I have a 3-D picture of a sunspot named "Spotmontage-1" but I
just don't remember the web address. Can someone help me out?

thanks
Ernie
Team Art Bell
God Bless

P.S. What is underneath the sunspot sure looks like strings...

Everyone, lets think positive and ride the graviton with love...

Thanks boinc and LHC for making us such awesome crunchers...
When the work comes, we'll be ready...

Ernie
Team Art Bell

Ernie, just what are you on about? I don't understand a word of this...

Thank you very much Ananas for the "hot tip"! The article titled on the cover of the magazine "Global Grid" is very comprehensive and up to date which indicates that the author was obviously at CERN, had a look around and talked to some of the people there - especially the head of the IT department. The author refers to us the crunchers as a powerful armada and goes on to say that our computer capacity often exceeds that of CERN's own computer center. And what is the computer center using - they are phasing out their Sun workstations? They are using standard PCs with Intels Xeon-processors. 3000 of them which they are increasing to 5000. How's that for a computer farm?
These all connected together in a Linux cluster. Anyone have any idea if they are using a standard Linux distribution or have they cooked up their own? Ben?

Most of the rest of the article is about the LCG, the grid which is being set up to distribute the data from the experiments (i.e. the detectors) to the people all over the world who will analyze it looking for among other things the Higgs-Boson.

Also listed in the article is a list of links for anyone interested in following up any of the topics mentioned.

Can only hope the article gets translated into English and printed in some English magazines.

Well, let's find the Higg's which gives particle their mass , hence also the neutrinos, and the LHC is supposed to find it.

Furthermore the neutrinos can't then go with the speed of light , as only massless particles do so.

Question arises, at what speed do they go then in vacuum ?!

River
The answer is in the loving heart...
I pray our planet Earth can have a change of consciousness.

Ernesto,

yes, I believe so too. These things are beyond maths/physics, and in my opinion are far more important. The change that I feel is needed starts when an individual, any individual, each individual, decides to trust in the things that are beyond rational calculation.

We should do this in memory of Jesus.

One problem I have with many who profess to believe in the Biblical Jesus is that their belief turns the Bible into another logical theory. Here is the Word, and we will use human logic to prove that the Bible means This, and only This. There are those whose belief in Jesus means in practice that they allow a particular church to tell them what they should believe.

These people see faith as a single act of surrender to a single intellectual idea: that the Scripture (or their Church) is Infallible, and after that everything is to be deduced by logic and argument. Theological = trying to find God using logical processes. But logic cannot possibly encompass God, not even starting from a perfect set of axioms -- how could it, when it cannot even encompass human feeling?

Atheists believe that matter is all there is. Too many people say they remember Jesus and behave like matter is all that matters.

These are not, in my opinion, two separate problems, but two symptoms of the same mistake. If we treat faith as a kind of logic, we will treat spiritual things as just another kind of materialism.

I have also met other followers of Jesus whose faith seems different to all that. Whose ongoing search for Truth encompasses more than (theo)logical. Whose ongoing search for the Way leads them naturally into behaviour that values people above objects, and values the living world as more than just another commodity.

(Theo)-logically their churches disagree.

And I think I have seen the same fruits of the spirit in followers of other faiths, and in those who profess no faith at all.

(Theo)-logically the different faiths seem incompatible.

Yet beyond theology the fruits of the spiritual life seem to be the same.

So I agree with you, my friend, when you say the world needs a change in consciousness.

I believe that change will happen as / when / if individuals start to seek Truth that is beyond the logic and science.

You ask us to remember Jesus: well I say be careful not to turn Jesus into the "science" of theology. Theology is not the Way.

You ask us to remember Jesus: I know that many have found a living faith in seeking Him. I personally am not willing to say that Jesus is the *only* path to such a faith.

River~~

River,
I understand sir, faith not custom.
A change of consciousness (yes)...
Thanks for helping me find my path of knowledge and wisdom.
God Bless You

Ernie S.
Team Art Bell
P.S. Ride the graviton with love...

River
The answer is in the loving heart...
I pray our planet Earth can have a change of consciousness.

Ernesto,

yes, I believe so too. These things are beyond maths/physics, and in my opinion are far more important. The change that I feel is needed starts when an individual, any individual, each individual, decides to trust in the things that are beyond rational calculation.

We should do this in memory of Jesus.

One problem I have with many who profess to believe in the Biblical Jesus is that their belief turns the Bible into another logical theory. Here is the Word, and we will use human logic to prove that the Bible means This, and only This. There are those whose belief in Jesus means in practice that they allow a particular church to tell them what they should believe.

These people see faith as a single act of surrender to a single intellectual idea: that the Scripture (or their Church) is Infallible, and after that everything is to be deduced by logic and argument. Theological = trying to find God using logical processes. But logic cannot possibly encompass God, not even starting from a perfect set of axioms -- how could it, when it cannot even encompass human feeling?

Atheists believe that matter is all there is. Too many people say they remember Jesus and behave like matter is all that matters.

These are not, in my opinion, two separate problems, but two symptoms of the same mistake. If we treat faith as a kind of logic, we will treat spiritual things as just another kind of materialism.

I have also met other followers of Jesus whose faith seems different to all that. Whose ongoing search for Truth encompasses more than (theo)logical. Whose ongoing search for the Way leads them naturally into behaviour that values people above objects, and values the living world as more than just another commodity.

(Theo)-logically their churches disagree.

And I think I have seen the same fruits of the spirit in followers of other faiths, and in those who profess no faith at all.

(Theo)-logically the different faiths seem incompatible.

Yet beyond theology the fruits of the spiritual life seem to be the same.

So I agree with you, my friend, when you say the world needs a change in consciousness.

I believe that change will happen as / when / if individuals start to seek Truth that is beyond the logic and science.

You ask us to remember Jesus: well I say be careful not to turn Jesus into the "science" of theology. Theology is not the Way.

You ask us to remember Jesus: I know that many have found a living faith in seeking Him. I personally am not willing to say that Jesus is the *only* path to such a faith.

River~~

Stephen Hawking
developed a structure of mathamatical Idea's for the excistance of ghost.
Can thier be a structure for feeling?

Maybe, but if there is it will be one that is beyond human rational understanding.

The real maening of various limiting theorems (like Turing's, Church's, Godel's theorems) is that any algorithmic or logical or rational structure contains aspects that transcend that structure.

To take Turing's theorem: there is no guranteed method available to computer X that will tell if a given prgram for computer X will reach a conclusion. A more complex computer Y could tell if the program would complkete on computer X, but there will be other programs that computer Y will not be sure about.

Godel: any mathematical system contains true statemeant that cannot be proved within that system, even though they may be proved in a richer system that is set up to contain the original one. However the new system will itself have unprovable truths.

The more comlicated and complex a machine, or a mathematical system, gets the bigger and bigger the unprovable gaps get.

In the same way, there will be things the human brain can know that are beyond the human brain's wit to prove. This must be true even if our brains are totally deterministic - in which case the whole aesthetic, spiritual "dimension" of our existence is just how it feels to be a logical machine encountering an unprovable truth. Such feelings would be open to mathematical modelling by a more complex brain than ours, but would always remain beyond our own understanding.

In another way, those feelings would also be beyond the understanding of the super brain - by grasping the logical structure, the super brain would not experience our feelings the way we do, but differently. So they would have the structure but not the feeling.

River~~

River

Thank you for answering my question sir, your reply is truly inspiring.

God Bless You
Ernie
Team Art Bell

Stephen Hawking
developed a structure of mathamatical Idea's for the excistance of ghost.
Can thier be a structure for feeling?

Maybe, but if there is it will be one that is beyond human rational understanding.

The real maening of various limiting theorems (like Turing's, Church's, Godel's theorems) is that any algorithmic or logical or rational structure contains aspects that transcend that structure.

To take Turing's theorem: there is no guranteed method available to computer X that will tell if a given prgram for computer X will reach a conclusion. A more complex computer Y could tell if the program would complkete on computer X, but there will be other programs that computer Y will not be sure about.

Godel: any mathematical system contains true statemeant that cannot be proved within that system, even though they may be proved in a richer system that is set up to contain the original one. However the new system will itself have unprovable truths.

The more comlicated and complex a machine, or a mathematical system, gets the bigger and bigger the unprovable gaps get.

In the same way, there will be things the human brain can know that are beyond the human brain's wit to prove. This must be true even if our brains are totally deterministic - in which case the whole aesthetic, spiritual "dimension" of our existence is just how it feels to be a logical machine encountering an unprovable truth. Such feelings would be open to mathematical modelling by a more complex brain than ours, but would always remain beyond our own understanding.

In another way, those feelings would also be beyond the understanding of the super brain - by grasping the logical structure, the super brain would not experience our feelings the way we do, but differently. So they would have the structure but not the feeling.

River~~

My 2 cents


I am skeptical of current string theory. Too many problems exist therein. Aside, sunspots would not affect string theories here in a meaningful way. String theories deal with fundamental matter and nature that shouldn't be considered when attempting to understand relatively minor events in the cosmos like sunspots...

Unless I'm missing something....

... Everyones
cought up in the dimensions of particals. What about
the dimension of feeling? ... I close my eyes, tilt my head back and hold an extended note. For about 3 seconds
I experience a void of thought. I'm no longer here on this planet.

The experience you mention is real enough, many people have had similar mystic experiences in religious settings, in musical settings, when viewing visual artworks, or in front of magnificent natural scenery.

However, I think we should be careful before calling this a "dimension" - certainly it is not one of the three well known dimensions which are all related to each other by certain mathematical principles. When physicists talk of time as a fourth dimension, they mean that in some respects it is related to the three well known dimensions in the same way as they relate to each other.

When string theorists add another 1, 2, or 400 dimensions, again they are adding mathematical structures that relate to the original three dimensions in a well defined mathematical way. In contrast, the experience I think you mean seems beyond the scope of all mathematics and logic.

Are we in touch with the infinite in such a mystic moment? In touch with God? Perhaps - I have had mystical insights in such times that have altered my attitude for the better, which perhaps does point to God. It certainly parallels other people's conversion experiences.

Is it an artifact of the human brain? If so, it is one that liberates a more postive mode of thinking than the usual one. In that sense it is fine to describe it as a new dimension of human experience.

But that is very different to the way a string theorist uses the term "dimension". In my opinion.

River~~