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Message 4851 - Posted: 4 Nov 2004, 11:04:59 UTC

It would be the best thing to detach from LHC.

Erst wird nirgends �ber Probleme informiert; dann kann man den Account nicht mehr �ffnen.....

A lot of wasting time for LHC

Deshalb so "sch�n" der Screensaver auch sein mag: Detach from LHC !!!
h�ngt Euch ab bei LHC und cruncht Seti oder climate
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Message 4854 - Posted: 4 Nov 2004, 11:31:30 UTC - in response to Message 4851.  

> It would be the best thing to detach from LHC.
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> Erst wird nirgends �ber Probleme informiert; dann kann man den Account nicht
> mehr �ffnen.....
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> A lot of wasting time for LHC
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> Deshalb so "sch�n" der Screensaver auch sein mag: Detach from LHC !!!
> h�ngt Euch ab bei LHC und cruncht Seti oder climate
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Ja glaubst Du denn Seti ist besser?

Do you believe, seti is better?
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Message 4855 - Posted: 4 Nov 2004, 11:33:20 UTC

DO NOT Detach from LHC unless you wish to leave the project.

The servers are extremely busy after a 24 hour outage. Wait, and your work WILL be uploaded and reported.


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Message 4858 - Posted: 4 Nov 2004, 11:38:49 UTC

erm....why is that?

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Message 4864 - Posted: 4 Nov 2004, 11:55:26 UTC - in response to Message 4854.  
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> Ja glaubst Du denn Seti ist besser?
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> Do you believe, seti is better?
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Sicher hat Seti auch seine Probleme; nur wenn ich wieder anmelden will (bei LHC) w�rgt es mir climatepredictor.net fast ab mit den Meldungen: wenn das noch �fters geschehe m�sse ich das Projekt (von climate) zur�cksetzen (frei �bersetzt). Dazu kommt eine Fehlermeldung von LHC von wegen falscher Accountnummer (welche nicht falsch sein kann; sonst k�nnte ich nicht meinen Account �ffnen oder hier schreiben). Deshalb seit gestern morgen (3.10.04 ca. 6:00 GMT) sehr viel verlorene Zeit in: was ist falsch und was geht nicht und wo infos etc..

Seid gegr�sst Programme und happy chrunching


Nachtrag: Jetzt 04.10.04 13:58 geht es wieder.
Ich finde es schade, dass man erst sauer schreiben muss, bis man ernst genommen wird.....
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Message 4865 - Posted: 4 Nov 2004, 11:57:11 UTC - in response to Message 4858.  

> erm....why is that?
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If you detach or reset the project you'll lose any accumulated work. If you want to leave, fine. If you want to stay then wait and your WUs WILL get uploaded and reported. The server are a bit busy right now.


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Message 4879 - Posted: 4 Nov 2004, 14:35:08 UTC

Granted, there may be a few times when it is necessary to reset the project, but why is resetting/detaching considered the universal solution to BOINC project problems, no matter the actual problem is?

All resetting the project everytime someone thinks they have a problem does is delay reaching a quorum of results for a WU because the project waits for the expiry date to resend the WU. This delays completion of the results quorum and makes the results unavailable to the project scientists for a longer period of time, and tends to really annoy those participants who are credit driven.

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Message 4881 - Posted: 4 Nov 2004, 14:55:06 UTC

Is it best to detach from the LHC@home project once the project dries up in mid November and the reattach when it comes back online in December/ January?

The reason I ask is that the client seems to want to attach on a pretty regular basis while online, especially if it doesn't have any work to process. Is there a possibility that this will detract from the processing of other projects or put a needless load on the LHC@home webserver while it puts out 'no work available' messages?

Is there a method within the Boinc framework that allows them to tell clients to not attach for a specfic period?

Slainte,

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Message 4889 - Posted: 4 Nov 2004, 18:01:47 UTC - in response to Message 4881.  
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> Is there a method within the Boinc framework that allows them to tell clients
> to not attach for a specfic period?
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not directly... but

the framework offers the possibility to enable/disable the clients on level network, not on level project.

the creativity gives an other way. perhaps not so official but working..

Important is, you had one time a successfully connect to the DB.

Stop and close the client/gui.

edit yourself the client_state files and the other files and change the project url to a non valid url. Next start of Boinc client/gui, sure it will try, but no able to connect. Due you had one time a valid connection, the client will NOT detach itself.

an other method could be (never tested) say to your firewall, exclude/block the LHC domain!

perhaps when the project makes a break, a Winterschlaf, it would be easier to dry the queues and simple detach.;-)


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> Deshalb seit gestern morgen (3.10.04 ca. 6:00 GMT) sehr viel verlorene Zeit >in: was ist falsch und was geht nicht und wo infos etc..
ja die Informationspolitik hat noch etwas Entwicklungspotential.

�rgerlich ist es schon. Take it easy. Finaly hast Du die Schosse raufbeamen k�nnen

Glaube mir etwas:

Oft sind die Jungs/M�dels an einer Uni alles kleine Einsteins. Zumindest halten sich viele daf�r. Klar in ihrer nebul�sen, trockenen Welt, m�gen the scientist ja ganz passabel sein. Die Realit�t lernt uns alle, was geht und was nicht. Viele Menschen reagieren mit Passivit�t, sind blockiert wenn mal was nicht den einfachen, geraden Weg einnimmt. Auch bei den LHC people l�sst sich dies feststellen. Sind halt auch Menschen.

>wegen falscher Accountnummer
Auch schon gehabt, denke mir, der/die LHC server(s) sind einfach zu und der Client kann keine erfolgeiche tcp/ip Verbindung aufbauen und beginnt zu stottern. Minuten sp�ter, hat sich die Sache wieder beruhigt.

Ein paar wertvolle Informationen konnte man im Cafe SETI nachlesen (!!!!!) Nat�rlich st�sst man nur per Zufall drauf.

>Ich finde es schade, dass man erst sauer schreiben muss, bis man ernst genommen wird.....

We are rats in the kitchen. Vermutlich kannst Du schreiben oder nicht, Ernst genommen werden wir wohl eher am Rande. Zumindest entsteht bei mir den Eindruck, after reading some of the admins postings.
At berkeley they did understood, they have to change the information politic and drive a much more, respectfully oriented customer relationship to avoid more and more loosing respect and interest of the benevol to the project.

Today we have the choice, what we will support or not.
One day, the cruncher/supporter/contributor has left the project, independent the reason, and found an other stable fine running project with competent admin, there is basically no reason to come back.

nicht sauer werden. N�tzt ja nichts und reduziert nur die Lebenserwartung

keep cool and clean!

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Message 4893 - Posted: 4 Nov 2004, 18:29:42 UTC - in response to Message 4889.  
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> nicht sauer werden. N�tzt ja nichts und reduziert nur die Lebenserwartung
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> keep cool and clean!
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> Griessli retour
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Sorry to open this Thread
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Die Erkl�rung schreibe ich mal, wenn es weniger Zugriffe auf die DBase hat.

Bis dann: Seid gegr�sst Programme to be crunched
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