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Sixtrack BOINC application on track to be ported to GPUs?
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 Send message Joined: 7 May 08 Posts: 222 Credit: 1,575,053 RAC: 8  
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Send message Joined: 16 May 19 Posts: 3 Credit: 1,361,901 RAC: 0 
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Either way...how about generating SixTrack work more frequently? |
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Send message Joined: 7 May 08 Posts: 222 Credit: 1,575,053 RAC: 8
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Either way...how about generating SixTrack work more frequently? There is work, but it finished very fast Meantime, some news about Xtrack Page 6 (done/to do):
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Send message Joined: 3 May 20 Posts: 10 Credit: 603,786 RAC: 0 
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Just read up on the news in this forum thread and the recent news about Xtrack dev sound very interesting! Thanks for sharing these insights! |
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Send message Joined: 7 May 08 Posts: 222 Credit: 1,575,053 RAC: 8
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Just read up on the news in this forum thread and the recent news about Xtrack dev sound very interesting! Thanks for sharing these insights! There is some news from my latest post: STATUS: |
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Send message Joined: 22 Mar 16 Posts: 13 Credit: 112,715 RAC: 0 |
But the big selling point of Sixtrack as a BOINC project is precisely that it Just Works, without all the shenanigans of VirtualBox or CVMFS or whatever... Coming back to this older post, I confirm, no virtualisation. We have pre-compiled binaries for xtrack (currently only for Windows and Linux) that will run straight on your machine, just as was the case with SixTrack. We sacrifice a bit of flexibility in the study setup on our side, but it's worth the effort. We are finalising our server environment, and first WUs are being generated currently on the test server. At the moment this is very limited (20-50 jobs) but we will start testing large scale simulations in the next weeks. |
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Send message Joined: 22 Mar 16 Posts: 13 Credit: 112,715 RAC: 0 |
Either way...how about generating SixTrack work more frequently? We have currently very few SixTrack jobs, as almost everyone in our teams moved to using xtrack. So once that is fully deployed (~2 months), expect to see a lot of jobs! Cheers |
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Send message Joined: 22 Mar 16 Posts: 13 Credit: 112,715 RAC: 0 |
I think the challenge for the project would be that virtualization of GPUs is considered an enterprise feature so its blocked in consumer GPU drivers. I doubt that volunteers are willing to use enterprise GPUs to contribute. Correct. As we want to leverage GPUs in the future, we won't use virtualisation for xtrack either. |
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Send message Joined: 22 Mar 16 Posts: 13 Credit: 112,715 RAC: 0 |
It's still bad since there is hard coded back off in BOINC client of 90 sec, for me still my GPU can do a WU in less than 90 sec, so it tries to get new WU every 90 sec which is then a DoS attack basically. Yes, this is a known limitation of SixTrack; it sends a lot of extremely short jobs. This is being addressed in xtrack. |
 Send message Joined: 11 Feb 13 Posts: 22 Credit: 20,728,480 RAC: 1 
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xtrack sounds interesting. I like sixtrack work but the projects can't keep enough wu's sent to me. I don't run Linux so I have to use a VM to run the ATLAS tasks and they are a bit hit & miss. I can have wu's stuck for hours which need to be aborted and are a huge waste of my time & electricity so I try to avoid the VM/ATLAS work unfortunately. Keen to see how xtrack unfolds.  
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Send message Joined: 18 Dec 15 Posts: 1827 Credit: 119,550,002 RAC: 43,533  
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... I have to use a VM to run the ATLAS tasks and they are a bit hit & miss. I can have wu's stuck for hours which need to be aborted and are a huge waste of my time & electricity so I try to avoid the VM/ATLAS work unfortunately.what exactly is the problem with your ATLAS tasks ? |
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Send message Joined: 11 Feb 13 Posts: 22 Credit: 20,728,480 RAC: 1
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It's been a while since I've run them using the VM sorry. I'll have to revist that and let you know. Essentially they got stuck. They would run for 12, 14+hrs and go nowhere. I ended up aborting them if it went longer than 10hrs from memory. It was a real waste of power for me and hence I moved on. I'm not a technical person. I like things that just work... ie - sixtrack with no VM. I'll revisit the work in the near future & let you know specific wu's when it happens :) Glad to see a great supply of sixtrack work atm. I'm still expecting it to dry up quickly though unfortunately.
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Send message Joined: 18 Dec 15 Posts: 1827 Credit: 119,550,002 RAC: 43,533
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Glad to see a great supply of sixtrack work atm. I'm still expecting it to dry up quickly though unfortunately.yes, you were right: they all are gone :-( |
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Send message Joined: 7 May 08 Posts: 222 Credit: 1,575,053 RAC: 8
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So once that is fully deployed (~2 months), expect to see a lot of jobs! We are ready!! |
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Send message Joined: 28 Jul 05 Posts: 37 Credit: 513,090 RAC: 0 
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So once that is fully deployed (~2 months), expect to see a lot of jobs! Indeed we are. I wonder what the chances of the GPU app getting deployed here will be?  Have A Crunching Good day |
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Send message Joined: 27 Sep 08 Posts: 852 Credit: 694,247,197 RAC: 112,490  |
Its was confimed in the presentation at BOINC 2023 conf, there will be a delay vs the CPU since there is some work to do, lots of work being done inside CERN uses GPU for XTrak |
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Send message Joined: 28 Jul 05 Posts: 37 Credit: 513,090 RAC: 0
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Any update? Will the RTX 30 series be able to help when it is released? Have A Crunching Good day |
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Send message Joined: 6 Feb 23 Posts: 6 Credit: 135,903 RAC: 0 |
Either way...how about generating SixTrack work more frequently? Will there be any more sixtrack jobs? Paul. |
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