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Send message Joined: 12 Jul 11 Posts: 857 Credit: 1,619,050 RAC: 0 |
Yes probably. The 30,000 or so results are inconclusive. They don't use much disk space though. We shall see as we should now be running a third time for these cases. Eric. |
Send message Joined: 27 Oct 07 Posts: 186 Credit: 3,297,640 RAC: 0 |
Perhaps, because we've had so much work recently, those inconclusives hung around on the disk for longer than usual - the resends wait at the end of the queue behind all the submitted first-run work. It all contributes to the server and database load. |
Send message Joined: 29 Nov 13 Posts: 59 Credit: 4,012,100 RAC: 0 |
Just for the record, that polish guy never got back to me. Team AnandTech - WCG, Uni@H, F@H, MW@H, Ast@H, LHC@H, R@H, CPDN, E@H. Main rig - Ryzen 3600, MSI B450 Gm Pro C AC, 32GB DDR4 3200, RTX 3060 Ti 8GB, Win10 64bit 2nd rig - i7 4930k @4.1 GHz, 16 GB DDR3 1866, HD 7870XT 3GB(DS), Win7 64 |
Send message Joined: 9 Jan 08 Posts: 66 Credit: 727,923 RAC: 0 |
This host has a lot of invalid (4876) and a lot of inconclusives (1748) and errors (269). Maybe it needs to be looked at. http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/show_host_detail.php?hostid=9996388 |
Send message Joined: 12 Jul 11 Posts: 857 Credit: 1,619,050 RAC: 0 |
I have suspended him (again) for two weeks. He has not replied to emails, nor has our Polish colleague. This machine 9996388 is an 8 CPU with 16GB memory. I wonder if it has SECDED??? Eric. |
Send message Joined: 5 Feb 12 Posts: 19 Credit: 700,079 RAC: 0 |
It looks like our fellow host 9996388 has been racking up quite a lot of inconclusives and invalids... so far 3685 pending, 6050 inconclusives, 2698 valids, and 2228 invalids. How does this host manage to only grab 2 second work units, and then complete them when it takes a normal host 4 hours plus to complete? Something is very off about this host. |
Send message Joined: 12 Jul 11 Posts: 857 Credit: 1,619,050 RAC: 0 |
Yes indeed; I am preparing a message about invalids. I am a very worried man because I fear a "new" problem with floating-point determinism. All very complicated but I shall try and write it up. In the meantime I shall try adn suspend/ban or something ithis host because we have a lot of work and this is a real pain. Eric. |
Send message Joined: 9 Oct 10 Posts: 77 Credit: 3,671,357 RAC: 0 |
This host has been a recurring issue ... why don't you definitely ban it if its owner doen't answer to your messages ? |
Send message Joined: 12 Jul 11 Posts: 857 Credit: 1,619,050 RAC: 0 |
Because I think the problem might be mine/SixTrack..... I am trying to analyse these results and also see who validates with them. This is my TOP priority. I also thought of upping copies to 4 and same to 3 but that is wasting resources. Hope to have a new SixTrack executable and to return more results to help identify the issue. Eric. |
Send message Joined: 3 Jul 08 Posts: 20 Credit: 8,281,604 RAC: 0 |
I think the valid tasks are very unusual, here is an example: WU: 29893891 The same computer (i7-2600) needs 371 CPU-seconds, while Dmitry needs only 0.34 CPU-second. I can't believe this, Grubix. |
Send message Joined: 29 Nov 13 Posts: 59 Credit: 4,012,100 RAC: 0 |
That host is still a problem?, yikes! Even if it isn't his fault he should of replied, what about using the BOINC notices feature to grab his attention? lol Team AnandTech - WCG, Uni@H, F@H, MW@H, Ast@H, LHC@H, R@H, CPDN, E@H. Main rig - Ryzen 3600, MSI B450 Gm Pro C AC, 32GB DDR4 3200, RTX 3060 Ti 8GB, Win10 64bit 2nd rig - i7 4930k @4.1 GHz, 16 GB DDR3 1866, HD 7870XT 3GB(DS), Win7 64 |
Send message Joined: 12 Jul 11 Posts: 857 Credit: 1,619,050 RAC: 0 |
Thankyou very much, This could be a VITAL piece of infomation or a false alarm. All results differences I have found have been very small. I am testing right now om similar machimes, I have fixed a bug in SixTrack but it seems to be irrelevant, and I am trying to work out a plan. It is not just Dmitry. We also have some 460,000 jobs queued, important production. I am looking at this WU right now, more news soonest- Eric. |
Send message Joined: 12 Jul 11 Posts: 857 Credit: 1,619,050 RAC: 0 |
Ah well; I have run this case at CERN. The results are genuine: [mcintosh@lxplus0234 short]$ tail fort.6 For 500075 Turn(s) 277. second(s) of Computing Time was needed ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total Time used: 281. second(s) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SIXTRACR stop This is a case where the particles are very unstable. The run time is short and in fact the results are all zero as all particles are lost early. Eric. |
Send message Joined: 24 Oct 04 Posts: 1176 Credit: 54,887,670 RAC: 5,761 |
Ah well; I have run this case at CERN. The results are Thanks Eric -Samson Volunteer Mad Scientist For Life |
Send message Joined: 7 Feb 14 Posts: 99 Credit: 5,180,005 RAC: 0 |
Same problem cause of that host. I've got inconclusive validation for 2 or 3 ~8h tasks, that means 1 core-day wasted. A bit frustrating. Thank you for your support. |
Send message Joined: 27 Oct 07 Posts: 186 Credit: 3,297,640 RAC: 0 |
It's more likely to be delayed, rather than wasted, if your machine normally produces valid results. 'Inconclusive' is not the end of the story. |
Send message Joined: 7 Feb 14 Posts: 99 Credit: 5,180,005 RAC: 0 |
This sounds great. I thought inconclusive results would be removed soon from something like server cache. Well, I was wrong. My machine is ok. |
Send message Joined: 12 Jul 11 Posts: 857 Credit: 1,619,050 RAC: 0 |
Subject: Status Result Differences 29th March, 2015 Since I am a bit blocked for the moment :-( herewith a status report. I cannot access the MySQL database anymore (c.f. Igor) on boincai08. Access to the project management pages is incredibly slow. This is a big block. In the meantime we are suffering from too many Invalid results. Many from one Host, user suspended.. I have found a bug in SixTrack related to Ripple but it is irrelevant. I am pretty sure we have a "bug" with gfortran O4 Version 4.8.1. Version 4.4.7 works fine at all optimisations 0-4. For the main test I am using prob1, reduced to 60,000 turns prob16. Hopefully the number of turns can be reduced further. However the production problems are with ifort. We are also blocked from testing on boinctest, especially the version which returns all results. I am also going to appeal for more volunteers to sign up for testing. Right now the problem appears to be (modern) hardware related. We shall see. I do believe we will always get "random" errors if the mother board does NOT have SECDED (Single Error Correction Double Error Detection for memory). Seymour Cray is reputed to have said "Parity is for farmers", but he had to overnight redesign the CDC 7600 memory. We may also have over clocking or maybe just plain over heating. I append the distribution of Invalid results by Hostid/number. The first host/user is suspended for 21 days. These differences which affect many studies cause long delays for the volunteers and the CERN users as the 3rd run for verification goes to the end of the queue. The problem appears to be independent of Linux/Windows OS but may be a code generation problem or hardware of "modern" machines. I shall continue statistical analysis of Invalids, and in particular Valids which are in fact Invalid, but got the same results twice. It is "impossible" so far to replicate Invalid results at CERN or on BOINC itself. Yet some other CERN virtual machines from Agile Boincers are involved, but they live and die rather quickly. This is tough, but we shall get there. The overall error level is < 2% but of course I don't know about undetected errors! Just to keep you posted while the infrastructure at CERN gets sorted out. Eric. Total Invalids from 10th Februray to 18th March 35525 Valids estimated at 1,700,000. Wrong Valids ?. 9996388 28903 far too many suspended 1013750 1143 but many many valids 9919005 872 but many many valids 10322239 560 10309195 452 10336298 168 9934863 76 10352167 72 10308956 72 10308025 41 10345683 40 9872679 38 9840513 37 9704241 37 10351335 37 1083316 37 9645240 29 10338560 29 10343299 27 10353594 26 10000750 25 10312050 21 10353906 20 10350980 20 10343301 19 10343140 17 10339155 17 9955639 16 9966659 15 10342890 15 10349590 14 10328242 14 10325373 14 10351209 13 10324868 13 10296743 13 10001769 13 9778571 12 10354974 12 10306435 12 10353183 11 10351275 11 10329539 11 10297885 11 10157836 11 10010063 11 9870066 10 10352151 10 9971391 9 9892878 9 10346131 9 10151677 9 10353652 8 10352560 8 10351497 8 10157295 8 9996566 7 9971256 7 9721516 7 10352905 7 10349334 7 10338921 7 10333179 7 10326604 7 10304943 7 10302052 7 10261618 7 10190420 7 10000479 7 9972175 6 9950896 6 9892876 6 9652331 6 10354058 6 10353465 6 10344553 6 10335461 6 10334839 6 10322257 6 10320038 6 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Subject: Status Result Differences 29th March, 2015 Since I am a bit blocked for the moment :-( herewith a status report. I cannot access the MySQL database anymore (c.f. Igor) on boincai08. Access to the project management pages is incredibly slow. This is a big block. In the meantime we are suffering from too many Invalid results. Many from one Host, user suspended.. I have found a bug in SixTrack related to Ripple but it is irrelevant. I am pretty sure we have a "bug" with gfortran O4 Version 4.8.1. Version 4.4.7 works fine at all optimisations 0-4. For the main test I am using prob1, reduced to 60,000 turns prob16. Hopefully the number of turns can be reduced further. However the production problems are with ifort. We are also blocked from testing on boinctest, especially the version which returns all results. I am also going to appeal for more volunteers to sign up for testing. Right now the problem appears to be (modern) hardware related. We shall see. I do believe we will always get "random" errors if the mother board does NOT have SECDED (Single Error Correction Double Error Detection for memory). Seymour Cray is reputed to have said "Parity is for farmers", but he had to overnight redesign the CDC 7600 memory. We may also have over clocking or maybe just plain over heating. I append the distribution of Invalid results by Hostid/number. The first host/user is suspended for 21 days. These differences which affect many studies cause long delays for the volunteers and the CERN users as the 3rd run for verification goes to the end of the queue. The problem appears to be independent of Linux/Windows OS but may be a code generation problem or hardware of "modern" machines. I shall continue statistical analysis of Invalids, and in particular Valids which are in fact Invalid, but got the same results twice. It is "impossible" so far to replicate Invalid results at CERN or on BOINC itself. Yet some other CERN virtual machines from Agile Boincers are involved, but they live and die rather quickly. This is tough, but we shall get there. The overall error level is < 2% but of course I don't know about undetected errors! Just to keep you posted while the infrastructure at CERN gets sorted out. Eric. Total Invalids from 10th Februray to 18th March 35525 Valids estimated at 1,700,000. Wrong Valids ?. 9996388 28903 far too many suspended 1013750 1143 but many many valids 9919005 872 but many many valids 10322239 560 10309195 452 10336298 168 9934863 76 10352167 72 10308956 72 10308025 41 10345683 40 9872679 38 9840513 37 9704241 37 10351335 37 1083316 37 9645240 29 10338560 29 10343299 27 10353594 26 10000750 25 10312050 21 10353906 20 10350980 20 10343301 19 10343140 17 10339155 17 9955639 16 9966659 15 10342890 15 10349590 14 10328242 14 10325373 14 10351209 13 10324868 13 10296743 13 10001769 13 9778571 12 10354974 12 10306435 12 10353183 11 10351275 11 10329539 11 10297885 11 10157836 11 10010063 11 9870066 10 10352151 10 9971391 9 9892878 9 10346131 9 10151677 9 10353652 8 10352560 8 10351497 8 10157295 8 9996566 7 9971256 7 9721516 7 10352905 7 10349334 7 10338921 7 10333179 7 10326604 7 10304943 7 10302052 7 10261618 7 10190420 7 10000479 7 9972175 6 9950896 6 9892876 6 9652331 6 10354058 6 10353465 6 10344553 6 10335461 6 10334839 6 10322257 6 10320038 6 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I am having an inconclusive against this host as well. Looks like this host finishes each and every task in 2 seconds. Weird thing is that some of them get validated, even against other tasks that do use (significant) amounts of CPU-time. Examples: http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/workunit.php?wuid=30270731 http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/workunit.php?wuid=30273145 http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/workunit.php?wuid=30279506 http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/workunit.php?wuid=30275400 Tom Same problem cause of that host. |
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