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Message 25007 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 4:55:30 UTC

I note the other day I received a few wu's and my machine crunched them within hours of getting them and then the queue ran out. There were 15k or so wu's in progress. This number has been dropping, but extremely slowly and in no way near the speed at which it really should. Are people able to hoard wu's? Or are there just extremely slow computers doing them?

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Message 25011 - Posted: 18 Dec 2012, 5:33:21 UTC - in response to Message 25007.  

I think there is some slow machines on this project it normally has a long tail to compleate the WU's if there an injection of units and a pause then you really see it.
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Message 25106 - Posted: 14 Jan 2013, 1:18:29 UTC - in response to Message 25007.  

I note the other day I received a few wu's and my machine crunched them within hours of getting them and then the queue ran out. There were 15k or so wu's in progress. This number has been dropping, but extremely slowly and in no way near the speed at which it really should. Are people able to hoard wu's? Or are there just extremely slow computers doing them?

Cheers,

Paul.

yes and yes. also folks do split time with other projects and some systems are not on 24/7, may only crunch while idle or go to sleep/hibernate after a certain amt of time or report only periodically. I have a bunch of systems and many fall into each of these categories
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Message 25107 - Posted: 14 Jan 2013, 12:19:52 UTC

Thanks for the enthusiastic support. I am afraid many jobs will be
short for the moment as I am seeking the stability boundary. The tail is
annoying to me too but I want to be all inclusive. Even slow machines
contribute when we have a lot of work. "Many a mickle maks a muckle!".
Hope to have a new executable this coming weekend and then a lot more
work. Hard for me to keep up with over 80,000 tasks running simultaneously.
I also have to sort out some result discrepancies; really upsetting me as this
has been my last ten years work. I even managed to get two different validated
results for one case, but only one I hope.! Will keep you posted on progress.
I cannot publish until these issues are resolved. Eric.
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Message 25115 - Posted: 16 Jan 2013, 8:33:50 UTC - in response to Message 25107.  

Eric

Thanks for the update. We all appreciate your hard work. Good luck with sorting out the anomalies.

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Message 25344 - Posted: 7 Feb 2013, 4:54:14 UTC - in response to Message 25007.  

Are people able to hoard wu's?


The one who pulls my strings hoarded ~500 on 2 i7 machines. There was a limit of 3 or 4 per core at one time but do realize that's 3 or 4 per core per BOINC installation. See how it's done, son? They say it doesn't work on Win but I never tried it on Win. Works fiendishly well on Lin though.

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Message 25345 - Posted: 7 Feb 2013, 5:03:53 UTC - in response to Message 25107.  

The tail is annoying to me too but...


...but you never do anything about it so obviously it isn't annoying you very much.

There has been at least one proven method for handling the tail discussed right here in this very forum. But you pretend like it never happened for some reason. WTF??

Now I have an even better solution for the tail but I'm not going to give it to you until you say "Please, pretty please. I promise I will make Igor implement it and if he doesn't I'll run his butt outta here."
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Message 25364 - Posted: 7 Feb 2013, 23:39:21 UTC - in response to Message 25345.  

BTW, this method was recently discussed at a popular BOINC project dealing with asteroids. It was implemented there and is proven to work. That's all the clues you get. And you don't have to fire Igor, just make him do it.
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Message 25389 - Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 23:35:20 UTC - in response to Message 25364.  

BTW, this method was recently discussed at a popular BOINC project dealing with asteroids. It was implemented there and is proven to work. That's all the clues you get. And you don't have to fire Igor, just make him do it.

The project is voluntary as is the decision to be a troll.
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Message 25390 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 7:20:29 UTC - in response to Message 25389.  

The project is voluntary as is the decision to be a troll.


I'm proud of you for admitting your trolling is something you decided to do. It shows you're ready to take responsibility for your actions and that you're ready to finally deal with it. Also, the project is voluntary as you said but you needn't opt out unless of course you feel the pressure of participating is what's driven you to become a troll. If that's the case then perhaps a brief holiday would help your recovery. Just highlight the project in BOINC manager and click No New Tasks or Remove. Then go over to the Trolls Anonymous website and register. There you'll meet other trolls. Eventually you'll be able to step up to the mic and say "Hi. My name is <insert your name here> and I am a troll." Good luck. Remember you are loved and we're all very proud of you.

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Message 25392 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 18:13:45 UTC - in response to Message 25390.  

Dagorath - Must be lonely for you being the only smart person in the world.
Getting all huffy about WU's on this is such a first world problem.
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Message 25393 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 19:58:06 UTC

Considering the way that this "discussion" (Thread) has been going, why don't you take it to the Cafe and then you can toss barbs back and forth to your heart's content without burdening the majority of us with having to sort through your meanderings in the faint possibility that you have something to contribute to the Project.

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Message 25401 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 7:22:21 UTC - in response to Message 25392.  

Dagorath - Must be lonely for you being the only smart person in the world.


Sarcastic accusations with nothing to back them up are just drivel. Anyone who follows my posts knows I make tons of mistakes and am the first to admit when I'm wrong. Perhaps you're just jealous because you have nothing to say that could hint at a brain cell sparking away betwixt your ears? Or you just don't have the cajones to say anything? Whatever.

Getting all huffy about WU's on this is such a first world problem.


Huffy? Define that word please. I think it means angry or upset but I'm not sure. If that's what it means then trust me I'm not angry or upset. Why would I be? What have I got to be angry or upset about? The fact that I get more than my share of the tasks? That makes me happy. The fact that Eric is bothered by the tail? I'm not bothered by the tail. It's a problem that irks him and causes him grief not me. Huffy because Fragrant Stool is coming out and admitting he's a troll? Hey, I'm happy for him/her, not huffy. But again maybe I just don't understand what you mean by huffy. Do explain.
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Message 25402 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 7:41:29 UTC - in response to Message 25393.  

Considering the way that this "discussion" (Thread) has been going, why don't you take it to the Cafe and then you can toss barbs back and forth to your heart's content without burdening the majority of us with having to sort through your meanderings in the faint possibility that you have something to contribute to the Project.



You mean like the way we have to sort through your meanderings looking for something that makes sense or somehow contributes? Yah, you posted an insult and now you got one back.

As a matter of fact I am attempting to contribute something to the project and the fact that you're too thick to see it doesn't take away from that. In adition to telling everybody what happens here with hoarded tasks I'm also trying to tell Eric about how to clean up the tail. Now you may not like the way I am doing that but other approaches me and others have tried over the 5 years that this has been going on have been completely ignored and I mean not just given the thumbs down I mean treated like they never heard us. I've known for a long time, from what you post here as well as what you post at T4T, that you're a little slow to catch on to those sorts of technical things so now I'm telling you point blank what's going on and why. Receive that gift in the spirit in which it is given or get all pissy about it, whatever creams yer twinky.
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Message 25404 - Posted: 13 Feb 2013, 2:38:49 UTC - in response to Message 25402.  

As a matter of fact I am attempting to contribute something to the project ...


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I see...

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Message 25405 - Posted: 13 Feb 2013, 4:57:14 UTC - in response to Message 25404.  
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As a matter of fact I am attempting to contribute something to the project ...


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I see...


No you don't. Not that it matters. The people who have influence here see and that's what matters. You have no influence here so it's not important that you see. At least not important to me.
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Message 25411 - Posted: 13 Feb 2013, 18:32:40 UTC - in response to Message 25402.  

Considering the way that this "discussion" (Thread) has been going, why don't you take it to the Cafe and then you can toss barbs back and forth to your heart's content without burdening the majority of us with having to sort through your meanderings in the faint possibility that you have something to contribute to the Project.



You mean like the way we have to sort through your meanderings looking for something that makes sense or somehow contributes? Yah, you posted an insult and now you got one back.

As a matter of fact I am attempting to contribute something to the project and the fact that you're too thick to see it doesn't take away from that. In adition to telling everybody what happens here with hoarded tasks I'm also trying to tell Eric about how to clean up the tail. Now you may not like the way I am doing that but other approaches me and others have tried over the 5 years that this has been going on have been completely ignored and I mean not just given the thumbs down I mean treated like they never heard us. I've known for a long time, from what you post here as well as what you post at T4T, that you're a little slow to catch on to those sorts of technical things so now I'm telling you point blank what's going on and why. Receive that gift in the spirit in which it is given or get all pissy about it, whatever creams yer twinky.

It's is truly unfortunate that someone with as much to contribute as you have (I read your posting on the CONDOR Cluster) at the same time can stoop to the level you have in this thread. Yes, I may not be the top of the stack in understanding of subjects being discussed but isn't it the purpose of these boards to provide resources who can help educate those that are trying to attain a better grasp of what is being done? Your approach of denigrating anybody who doesn't measure up to your own high opinion of yourself just turns off people to participating in any project.
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Message 25420 - Posted: 13 Feb 2013, 21:53:07 UTC - in response to Message 25411.  

It's is truly unfortunate that someone with as much to contribute as you have (I read your posting on the CONDOR Cluster) at the same time can stoop to the level you have in this thread.


But you stoop to the same level. I quote from your previous message:

Tom95134 wrote:
...why don't you take it to the Cafe and then you can toss barbs back and forth to your heart's content without burdening the majority of us with having to sort through your meanderings in the faint possibility that you have something to contribute to the Project.


If those words aren't denigrating then what are they? Why is that you can stoop to that level but I cannot? I didn't start the denigrating, you started it. What makes you so much better than me? Why can you not take what you dish out?

Yes, I may not be the top of the stack in understanding of subjects being discussed but isn't it the purpose of these boards to provide resources who can help educate those that are trying to attain a better grasp of what is being done?


Of course that's one of the purposes and a noble purpose it is! But when you choose to cut me up like you did rather than ask what the heck I'm talking about or somehow indicate you wish to be educated and get a better grasp then you can expect me to cut you back. If that's what you want then bring it...

Your approach of denigrating anybody who doesn't measure up to your own high opinion of yourself just turns off people to participating in any project.


I warned you about getting all pissy but unfortunately for you, you chose to ignore it. Now your pissyness is causing you to make stuff up. Show us some numbers. Show us hundreds of posts from people who were participating who then stated they were quitting due to me and whose stats show they actually quit and stayed away for more than a day. You don't have that. You don't have it from this project or any other project and you will never have it. So stop with your BS and spin-doctoring because IMHO it turns people off even faster than my truth telling. Why? Because if you post that crap here then you obviously believe we are stupid enough to believe it and that insults each and every one of us. The forum rules prohibit insults.

Remember Dirty Harry... "a man's got to know his limits". That's probably not exactly the way Clint delivered that line but close enough. You don't know your limits. You think you can walk in here and rap off a few trite little cliches you copy 'n paste out of your file full of snappy comebacks you've saved and get somewhere but if you're gonna verbally joust with me then what you need to do is ponder and think, RTFM, do your homework and yes set a high standard for yourself and be not afraid to know when you have achieved it and even harder... be not afraid to know and admit when you have not. Else get your nose rubbed in your own crap again.
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