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Send message Joined: 16 May 11 Posts: 79 Credit: 111,419 RAC: 0 |
именно так skype id: igor-zacharov |
Send message Joined: 16 May 11 Posts: 79 Credit: 111,419 RAC: 0 |
I have been correcting the data base by hand subtracting values from total_credit in host and user tables. I believe all values should be fair now. If anybody thinks more should be done, please let me know. Thanks, skype id: igor-zacharov |
Send message Joined: 3 Oct 06 Posts: 101 Credit: 8,994,586 RAC: 0 |
RU СпаÑибо, Игорь! СтатиÑтика уже воÑÑтановлена процентов на 80 %. ОÑталиÑÑŒ вÑего лишь учаÑтники (Ñами ни при чём), получившие ÑумаÑшедшие кредиты (их пока ещё видно на Boincstats.com) вмеÑте Ñ Ð²Ñ€ÐµÐ´Ð¸Ñ‚ÐµÐ»ÐµÐ¼ по первому Ñпизоду. EN List of participants, who got crazy credits together with Bartonn: wdsmia - approx. +500K @ 2011-12-21 Galeon 7 - approx. +400K @ 2011-12-21 MrOctane - approx. +900K @ 2011-12-20 Jnargus - approx. +600K @ 2011-12-20 Maybe somebody more, who remained behind me after that attack... :-) |
Send message Joined: 19 Aug 06 Posts: 11 Credit: 2,385,700 RAC: 0 |
Hi Metalius (and Igor), these are exactly the users that I found, list seems to be complete as Bartonn IIRC had 4 WUs with exorbitant claims ;-) |
Send message Joined: 6 Jun 10 Posts: 6 Credit: 57,797 RAC: 0 |
That's right, it all is these. Barton's "Ñheat" machine produced 4 "cheat" WUs, these 4 users were affected as wingmans on these 4 WU. The exact excess CR values ​​are(based on WUs data recorded in this post: http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/forum_thread.php?id=3400&nowrap=true#23722 + boincstats.com): wdsmia - not sure cuz exact value not recorded, estimate is near 515k (533k @ cheat day minus ~15-20k normal CR/day in november for this user) Galeon 7 - 406,388 MrOctane - 983,069 Jnargus - 615,194 P.S. By the way what happened in the project 06/26/2007 (or may be day before - 06/25/2007)? When checking the statistics, noted that almost all the "old" users (who was involved in the project at this time) have abnormal large results for that day. |
Send message Joined: 3 Oct 06 Posts: 101 Credit: 8,994,586 RAC: 0 |
By the way what happened in the project 06/26/2007 (or may be day before - 06/25/2007)? When checking the statistics, noted that almost all the "old" users (who was involved in the project at this time) have abnormal large results for that day. That episode is deep in the past. After few days THIS episode may go deep in the past too. ;-) RU Возможно, дело было так... Сервер неÑколько Ñуток подрÑд Ñ Ñнтузиазмом раздавал Ð·Ð°Ð´Ð°Ð½Ð¸Ñ (такое ÑлучалоÑÑŒ в те давние времена), а в Ñамом разгаре раÑчётов Ñдох (или Ñдох валидатор). ПоÑле воÑÐºÑ€ÐµÑˆÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ñƒ вÑех получилÑÑ Ð±Ð¾Ð»ÑŒÑˆÐ¾Ð¹ Ñлив. |
Send message Joined: 16 May 11 Posts: 79 Credit: 111,419 RAC: 0 |
I have now adjusted the total_credit entries in the sixtrack data base for wdsmia - 500K Galeon 7 - 400K MrOctane - 900K Jnargus - 600K Sorry guys. Keep on crunching and the scores will come! skype id: igor-zacharov |
Send message Joined: 16 May 11 Posts: 79 Credit: 111,419 RAC: 0 |
interestingly, on 14th of january there was another attempt at the credit sys from Mr. badgoes. I guess, it is just to test if the system is solid enought. Thank you for trying. The system is solid. skype id: igor-zacharov |
Send message Joined: 19 Aug 06 Posts: 11 Credit: 2,385,700 RAC: 0 |
Great news on both counts! Thanx Igor!!! Greetings Kai |
Send message Joined: 3 Oct 06 Posts: 101 Credit: 8,994,586 RAC: 0 |
All done - great job, Igor! Thank You very much! |
Send message Joined: 16 May 11 Posts: 79 Credit: 111,419 RAC: 0 |
I have to correct myself here - it was Stelf who was helping with testing. Apparently, on that computer the elapsed time is ok, but the cpu time is bogus. As a wild guess, it could be a problem of units (ticks, or frequency wrong). At any rate, we don't mind, but Stelf - you may want to look at it at some stage. Thank you. interestingly, on 14th of january there was another attempt at the credit sys skype id: igor-zacharov |
Send message Joined: 14 Jul 08 Posts: 4 Credit: 2,377,539 RAC: 0 |
Thanks for putting my credits back to normal -- I didn't like having credits I didn't earn fair & square. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 06 Posts: 7 Credit: 69,019 RAC: 0 |
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Send message Joined: 16 May 11 Posts: 79 Credit: 111,419 RAC: 0 |
Should I assume that team total_credit should be equal to the sum of the total_credit of all the team members? skype id: igor-zacharov |
Send message Joined: 15 Mar 06 Posts: 1 Credit: 304,591 RAC: 0 |
And what about the users that moved from team to team? This can cause a terrible mess. Can You just erase the astronomical credit gains? It is just editing few tables.... |
Send message Joined: 16 May 11 Posts: 79 Credit: 111,419 RAC: 0 |
I have adjusted: Pireatenpartei Deutchland -25M (put it at 150K) Overclock.net -2M Boinc Synergy -2M Final Front Ear -2M Canada -2M Belarus United -6.5M (put it at 150K) However, Seti.USA (12.8M) and Czhech National Team (15.7M), should be both corrected down by 6M based on the statistics provided. I'm not sure of the consistency of the data base, since the present scores seem to be quite high and I don't understand them. Of course, if there are no other ideas, I will just go ahead with -6M. Just wanted to ask first. skype id: igor-zacharov |
Send message Joined: 24 Nov 05 Posts: 12 Credit: 8,333,730 RAC: 0 |
I have now adjusted the total_credit entries in the sixtrack data base for Just finished going through this thread. As I understand it, someone either cheated or something and I was one of four people "wingman" that benefitted with extra credits. How? As far as I know, my computers earn credits for the work they do, not someone else screwing with their own computer. I am assuming that those credits have been taken away since I have lost around 400K, specifically on 18 Jan. I don't get into the heavy number analysis like several very astute people here do, so I don't know what has happened. To that end I have opened up my computers so perhaps someone can tell me what went on. I thought I was doing honest crunching looking only at my daily totals (admittedly not every day). Have I got this right and I lost 400K of what I thought I honestly earned? For those of you that are either only science or only credits...I crunch for both. I have been on this project a long time through both thick and thin available work units. Right now, my heater is broke, but that is no problem as I am heating the house using the computer room. I have put upwards of $40,000 dollars into my systems. I don't take this lightly. I am a Geek. We surf in the dark web pages no others will enter. We stand on the router and no one may pass. We live for the Web. We die for the Web. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 06 Posts: 7 Credit: 69,019 RAC: 0 |
Once more thank you very much Igor for your commitment! Regarding your question two posts ago - team total points at a point in time are not a sum of points of their current members. The reason is that teams gain points only generated while a person is in the team. If someone has 100k on account and joins a team at this moment a team gains nothing. Once he crunches +1, team gains +1. Just looking at the stats and knowing that part of gain from 07.01.12 was honest, taking Seti.USA and CNT 6M will make things more or less back to reality. |
Send message Joined: 16 May 11 Posts: 79 Credit: 111,419 RAC: 0 |
... It is a valid question that must be answered. The credits are assigned based on the average of the claims from two valid results. Therefore, if one of the valid results claims disproportionate credit, the granted credit for both is still too high (for example (0+1Million)/2=500K). Based on the assignment logs I have, I substracted the unreasonable claims even from these crunches, who where not actively involved in presenting the unreasonable claims, but got inadvertently assigned high values due to the average calculation. After two episodes of this game, we started to calculate the credits based on the internal characteristics of the application. This prevents all cheating and also filters out random/faulty computer clock readings. I hope this explains. I appreciate the work you do. Please, keep crunching. skype id: igor-zacharov |
Send message Joined: 16 May 11 Posts: 79 Credit: 111,419 RAC: 0 |
I have taken SEIT.USA and Czech National Team -6M. Please, continue watching the statistics. I prefer the system to do the necessary credit calculation automatically. But since we got involved into the manual correction, we may need to do more adjustments based on the emerging accumulation. skype id: igor-zacharov |
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