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Message 19352 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 12:13:59 UTC

There is now a BOINC wrapper for Stephen Brooks' Muon accelerator distributed computing project: you can find it at Yoyo@home
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Message 19355 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 14:28:15 UTC

Still Beta test ...

As the small note on the first page says ... "Be not surprised".



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Message 19358 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 15:00:17 UTC - in response to Message 19355.  

Still Beta test ...

As the small note on the first page says ... "Be not surprised".



Indeed. But LHC doesn't always feel like a Production level project either. :-)
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Message 19362 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 17:31:21 UTC

Yes, and I just dropped Rosetta@Home because I cannot figure out if it is Beta or not, and the postings don't explain much ...

And it appears they "slipstreamed" in a new version and though it did not hit me ... it did cause problems for others. I have enough troubles ...

So, I shifted priorties again ...

And, LHC is out of work again, and I cannot report my last 10 tasks ... sigh ...
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Message 19363 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 20:18:15 UTC - in response to Message 19362.  

Yes, and I just dropped Rosetta@Home because I cannot figure out if it is Beta or not, and the postings don't explain much ...

And it appears they "slipstreamed" in a new version and though it did not hit me ... it did cause problems for others. I have enough troubles ...

So, I shifted priorties again ...

And, LHC is out of work again, and I cannot report my last 10 tasks ... sigh ...


As I understand, Rosetta is Beta in the sense that the proteins which are folded there are processed so that different protein folding algorithms can be tested. Once a good algorithm has been found, then that algorithm will be used for biological / medical science. WCG and F@H seem to be doing real science now. SIMAP is also doing real work, but only for a week or so each month, and their project is one that doesn't lend itself well to community involvement (beyond the donation of CPU cycles) now that their applications have been optimised.
The bulk of my BOINC time dedicated to bio-projects is now split between SIMAP and POEM@home (who are working on the same stuff as Rosetta, but seem to be a bit more involved with their users, though this could be just the first flush of interaction that most projects manage).
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Message 19366 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 21:38:33 UTC - in response to Message 19363.  

The bulk of my BOINC time dedicated to bio-projects is now split between SIMAP and POEM@home (who are working on the same stuff as Rosetta, but seem to be a bit more involved with their users, though this could be just the first flush of interaction that most projects manage).

I kinda like the idea of SIMAP, though both it and LHC with the sporadic work availability causes me a great deal of annoyance in that I prefer "physics" type research (given my druthers) and this and EAH are the only two fully oriented in that direction.

We have the several that are pure math (PrimeGrid, Sztaki, ABC), the odd ball ones ... CPDN which does not fit many molds, and then the rest seem to be biological.

And don't drag me into the Beta projects that are doing wonderful things... I'd rather not, thank you very much ...

And I suspect that the involvement will dry up as it did in Rosetta ... for the first couple months there were daily posts on almost all boards by the project and then ...

Anyway, no need to get me started ...
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Message 19377 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 6:49:36 UTC - in response to Message 19366.  

The bulk of my BOINC time dedicated to bio-projects is now split between SIMAP and POEM@home (who are working on the same stuff as Rosetta, but seem to be a bit more involved with their users, though this could be just the first flush of interaction that most projects manage).

I kinda like the idea of SIMAP, though both it and LHC with the sporadic work availability causes me a great deal of annoyance in that I prefer "physics" type research (given my druthers) and this and EAH are the only two fully oriented in that direction.

We have the several that are pure math (PrimeGrid, Sztaki, ABC), the odd ball ones ... CPDN which does not fit many molds, and then the rest seem to be biological.

And don't drag me into the Beta projects that are doing wonderful things... I'd rather not, thank you very much ...

And I suspect that the involvement will dry up as it did in Rosetta ... for the first couple months there were daily posts on almost all boards by the project and then ...

Anyway, no need to get me started ...


Well,one could almost say that most of projects are in sense betas... :-)
(And I like betas,never had problems with any)
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Message 19378 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 10:42:28 UTC - in response to Message 19366.  

I prefer "physics" type research (given my druthers) and this and EAH are the only two fully oriented in that direction.


Spinhenge and orbit@home are two more physics projects, but they are still Beta and Alpha respectively.

The standalone (i.e. non-BOINC) Muon app is Production level I believe, it's the BOINC wrapping by yoyo that is Beta.
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Message 19379 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 11:20:02 UTC

Projects for BOINC:
Physics projects in a more or less stable status are (besides LHC):
Einstein@Home
Spinhenge@Home
µFluids@Home
Cosmology@Home

Currently without work (or never even started ;) are:
NanoHive
RND@Home
BRaTS@Home
Orbit@Home
PlanetQuest

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Message 19388 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 19:23:29 UTC

Yes, well, I have done a bit of Einstein .... :)

I have a couple of other odds and ends of things I want to try and if I have time I will look at those suggested.

I really did like the idea of Orbit@Home, shame it never got off the ground ... I mean, the site was launched before I left two years ago ...

Spihenge and uFluids, sadly are PC only, so my MAIN machines are not ...

Well, I have new goals and I will see what I can do on them in the next few days or a week or so ...

MilkyWay@Home looks odd, but interesting ... and the WU are pleasently short ...

Thanks for the thoughts guys and gals ...
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Message 19393 - Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 11:54:15 UTC - in response to Message 19388.  

I really did like the idea of Orbit@Home, shame it never got off the ground ... I mean, the site was launched before I left two years ago ...


Orbit recently relaunched. It's still in alpha, so WUs are few and far between, and mainly for Linux at the moment...
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Message 19399 - Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 15:34:41 UTC - in response to Message 19393.  

I really did like the idea of Orbit@Home, shame it never got off the ground ... I mean, the site was launched before I left two years ago ...


Orbit recently relaunched. It's still in alpha, so WUs are few and far between, and mainly for Linux at the moment...

Well, that leaves me out twice ... :)

Only two OS-X machines and two WIndows machines ...
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Message 19416 - Posted: 14 Apr 2008, 11:26:28 UTC - in response to Message 19399.  

Orbit recently relaunched. It's still in alpha, so WUs are few and far between, and mainly for Linux at the moment...

Well, that leaves me out twice ... :)

Only two OS-X machines and two WIndows machines ...[/quote]

According to their homepage, Windows WUs will be launched this week (about 2 weeks after Linux ones), with OSX to follow (no time period specified). So it might be worth keep an eye on this project.

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Message 19421 - Posted: 14 Apr 2008, 15:13:31 UTC - in response to Message 19416.  

According to their homepage, Windows WUs will be launched this week (about 2 weeks after Linux ones), with OSX to follow (no time period specified). So it might be worth keep an eye on this project.

Well, I will ...

I have been exlectic this weekend and have been doing several other projects for the heck of it and to see what is out there and what is happening ...

Heck, it maybe that even CPDN got the "slab" models working on the Mac Pro (Intel) ...
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Message 19426 - Posted: 14 Apr 2008, 18:32:45 UTC - in response to Message 19388.  

Hi,

....Spihenge and uFluids, sadly are PC only, so my MAIN machines are not ...

Having been crunching for uFluids since December 2006, the last thing I would call it is STABLE!

It's very much still in an alpha state and there are FREQUENT problems with the application (which is exactly what you'd expect from an alpha project).

Whilst it doesn't need constant "babying" it's certainly not "attach and forget" like SETI etc.


TTFN - Pete.

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Message 19440 - Posted: 14 Apr 2008, 22:18:31 UTC

Well, neither was CPDN at first ...

But now, I have three models, two of them slabs and they are running and have 5 hours on their clocks ... so ... good to go!
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Message 19501 - Posted: 20 Apr 2008, 14:07:42 UTC - in response to Message 19379.  

Projects for BOINC:
Physics projects in a more or less stable status are (besides LHC):
Einstein@Home
Spinhenge@Home
µFluids@Home
Cosmology@Home

Currently without work (or never even started ;) are:
NanoHive
RND@Home
BRaTS@Home
Orbit@Home
PlanetQuest

I am surprised that you do not know Quantum Montecarlo at Home (QMC@home) from Muenster University. It is a computer chemistry project which has just published a paper in the referred Journal of Physical Chemistry, and the crunchers are nice people, together with the researchers in charge of the project. The quorum is one, so you don't have to wait for other people in order to receive credit.
Some people complain about getting few credits. I get about 20/hour on an AMD Opteron 1200 running Linux at 1.8 GHz. Work is plenty and there is also a beta project, ORCA, from Bonn University.
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Message 19503 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 1:34:44 UTC - in response to Message 19501.  

Projects for BOINC:
Physics projects in a more or less stable status are (besides LHC):
Einstein@Home
Spinhenge@Home
µFluids@Home
Cosmology@Home

Currently without work (or never even started ;) are:
NanoHive
RND@Home
BRaTS@Home
Orbit@Home
PlanetQuest

I am surprised that you do not know Quantum Montecarlo at Home (QMC@home) from Muenster University. It is a computer chemistry project which has just published a paper in the referred Journal of Physical Chemistry, and the crunchers are nice people, together with the researchers in charge of the project. The quorum is one, so you don't have to wait for other people in order to receive credit.
Some people complain about getting few credits. I get about 20/hour on an AMD Opteron 1200 running Linux at 1.8 GHz. Work is plenty and there is also a beta project, ORCA, from Bonn University.
Tullio

Actually, if you look at my signature ... :)

I am, have, done work for QMC ... LOTS of work for Einstein, Spinhenge, uFluids and Cosmology are on the list, but it is going to be a couple days before I get to them ...

In the second group most started and either died or were completed. The problem is that the participants rarely know because there is no central "brain" that records information like this ...

One of *MY* problems is that many of the pure physics projects are Windows only and I am slowly (it seems) changing into a Mac house ... so, my decreased store of Win Pcs are stretched to support the projects as I would like.

Today I fired up a real old PC to play with installing Ubuntu so I would get some Linux experience under my belt ... well, it has been running BOINC most of the day today ... So, I guess I succeeded ... :)

Another PC I stood up a few days ago I will be giving to a friend (well, wife's friend) as her computer is even older and slower ... I worked on her guilty feelings so she will let it run for a month or so ... I get the use of her electric and the computer works for me ... :)

I loaned my brother a dual Xeon (64 bit) Dell and he is shipping that back (hopefully this week) so I need to dust that off as he is not sure it works (Have service contract I think on it, so that should be no problem, Ha!) ...

Well, we shall see ...

In the mean time, I am playing with a lot of the projects to see if they run well or not ... and soon I will be settling in with a crop with Cosmology and QMC being on the short list for the remaining PCs I have ... CPDN is playing well on the new Mac Pro so I can run that there ... as a matter of fact I think I can run almost all 20 projects on the one machine and do a work unit on each every day, or every other day ... (we shall have to see) ... right now I am getting experience with the projects and getting the initial score to a "target" and then in a week (should not be a full month I don't think) and I will be down to just production.

And that is one of the reasons I don't care for the Alpha projects, some of them are too unstable ... and the same for some of the Betas ... though I have to admit that I have had surprisingly few problems ... AI crashed a couple tasks and locked the machine up (though I may have fixed that) and YoYo has one application that runs for an hour and does (apparently) nothing ... excluding that application and I have been getting work done (though I have had some tasks got to 125%+) ...

But thanks for the suggestions ...
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Message 19505 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 7:03:45 UTC - in response to Message 19503.  

Projects for BOINC:
Physics projects in a more or less stable status are (besides LHC):
Einstein@Home
Spinhenge@Home
µFluids@Home
Cosmology@Home

Currently without work (or never even started ;) are:
NanoHive
RND@Home
BRaTS@Home
Orbit@Home
PlanetQuest

I am surprised that you do not know Quantum Montecarlo at Home (QMC@home) from Muenster University. It is a computer chemistry project which has just published a paper in the referred Journal of Physical Chemistry, and the crunchers are nice people, together with the researchers in charge of the project. The quorum is one, so you don't have to wait for other people in order to receive credit.
Some people complain about getting few credits. I get about 20/hour on an AMD Opteron 1200 running Linux at 1.8 GHz. Work is plenty and there is also a beta project, ORCA, from Bonn University.
Tullio

Actually, if you look at my signature ... :)

I am, have, done work for QMC ... LOTS of work for Einstein, Spinhenge, uFluids and Cosmology are on the list, but it is going to be a couple days before I get to them ...

In the second group most started and either died or were completed. The problem is that the participants rarely know because there is no central "brain" that records information like this ...

One of *MY* problems is that many of the pure physics projects are Windows only and I am slowly (it seems) changing into a Mac house ... so, my decreased store of Win Pcs are stretched to support the projects as I would like.

Today I fired up a real old PC to play with installing Ubuntu so I would get some Linux experience under my belt ... well, it has been running BOINC most of the day today ... So, I guess I succeeded ... :)

Another PC I stood up a few days ago I will be giving to a friend (well, wife's friend) as her computer is even older and slower ... I worked on her guilty feelings so she will let it run for a month or so ... I get the use of her electric and the computer works for me ... :)

I loaned my brother a dual Xeon (64 bit) Dell and he is shipping that back (hopefully this week) so I need to dust that off as he is not sure it works (Have service contract I think on it, so that should be no problem, Ha!) ...

Well, we shall see ...

In the mean time, I am playing with a lot of the projects to see if they run well or not ... and soon I will be settling in with a crop with Cosmology and QMC being on the short list for the remaining PCs I have ... CPDN is playing well on the new Mac Pro so I can run that there ... as a matter of fact I think I can run almost all 20 projects on the one machine and do a work unit on each every day, or every other day ... (we shall have to see) ... right now I am getting experience with the projects and getting the initial score to a "target" and then in a week (should not be a full month I don't think) and I will be down to just production.

And that is one of the reasons I don't care for the Alpha projects, some of them are too unstable ... and the same for some of the Betas ... though I have to admit that I have had surprisingly few problems ... AI crashed a couple tasks and locked the machine up (though I may have fixed that) and YoYo has one application that runs for an hour and does (apparently) nothing ... excluding that application and I have been getting work done (though I have had some tasks got to 125%+) ...

But thanks for the suggestions ...

I am running Einstein with share 200, SETI, QMC, climateprediction.net, CPDN.beta and LHC with share 100. All this on an Opteron 1210 dual core running SuSE Linux 10.3. I have lots of pending credits in Einstein and SETI, none in QMC.Gruss Gott(add the umlaut).
Tullio


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Message 19509 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 13:53:31 UTC - in response to Message 19505.  

I am running Einstein with share 200, SETI, QMC, climateprediction.net, CPDN.beta and LHC with share 100. All this on an Opteron 1210 dual core running SuSE Linux 10.3. I have lots of pending credits in Einstein and SETI, none in QMC.Gruss Gott(add the umlaut).
Tullio

Well, I have a couple more than that ... :)

At the moment I am not doing much on EaH as I have it in the relative position I want it to be in ... ahead of SaH ... now I need to get several other projects in their initial positions and start pushing them up in numbers ...

I am working on the easier ones at the moment ... pushing Sztaki up the last two days along with a couple of others ... M-Way among them ...

I am running my Old dual G5, a Dual Xeon with HT (3.2 GHz) an AMD dual core (4400?), a 3 GHz HT intel something, a real old single core AMD and my shiny new dual Quad (8 core) Mac Pro which does as much if not lots more than the others combined.

If I can stay interested, and healthy (if BOINC does not start to mess up my mind again) I am looking forward to getting a couple quad cores (dual quads?) late this year early next to replace the slower systems ...
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