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Send message Joined: 13 Jul 05 Posts: 456 Credit: 75,142 RAC: 0 |
Saenger (Rosetta) has pointed out this this post on the CPDN board: It recently came to the attention of boinc staff that a multi-project cruncher called Wate who occupied a very high position in the boinc and project stats had reached this exalted position by dishonest means. R~~ |
Send message Joined: 21 May 06 Posts: 73 Credit: 8,710 RAC: 0 |
Is this why there was such a massive change in BOINC rankings today? |
Send message Joined: 13 Jul 05 Posts: 456 Credit: 75,142 RAC: 0 |
Is this why there was such a massive change in BOINC rankings today? Non-authoritative answer, based on my understanding of the postings. If you *really* want to know, ask on cpdn in the thread I linked from my first post here. Teams and Individuals would only have moved up one position on account of this user's credits being withdrawn(cpdn) or obfuscated(other projects). Hosts would have moved up by around 1500 positions in the host rankings. The most massive change in BOINC overall rankings will have been due to the fact that CPDN's first attempt to zap this dishonest user resulted in their own stats not going out over the weekend (ie they got it wrong first time, an experience all IT people will sympathise with). So there were effectively four days of CPDN stats that arrived at once, combined with the withdrawal of one b*****d. What there will have been is a one-off reduction in the total credits across BOINC, with this user's CPDN credits no longer in the totlals. R~~ |
Send message Joined: 28 Sep 04 Posts: 47 Credit: 6,394 RAC: 0 |
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Send message Joined: 14 Jul 05 Posts: 21 Credit: 3,486,046 RAC: 0 |
@all: STOP RUNNING Predictor@Home!!! Here's what the admin over there wrote: If someone has installed the boinc client on machines that they do not have permission to that is wrong. I have no way of knowing if this has or hasn't happened. Just because "some guy" posted something on the internet is not good enough reason to take any action against anyone. |
Send message Joined: 13 Jul 05 Posts: 143 Credit: 263,300 RAC: 0 |
Now - this is silly. The issue was discovered and handled over a month ago. The actions have been repeatedly discussed -- in my mind, there's no further action required. By the way, if you feel that Predictor@home is doing something wrong - shouldn't you post your concerns on the Predictor boards rather than here ??? If I've lived this long, I've gotta be that old |
Send message Joined: 13 Jul 05 Posts: 55 Credit: 41,230 RAC: 0 |
Now - this is silly. The issue was discovered and handled over a month ago. The actions have been repeatedly discussed -- in my mind, there's no further action required. They're deleting messages and banning peoples for that. Do you want to get banned for 31 years, your account and credits deleted at a Boinc project ? Predictor@home is your best choice. |
Send message Joined: 30 Sep 04 Posts: 112 Credit: 104,059 RAC: 0 |
Well, the predictor@home project can do what they please so if banning accounts/deleting posts that criticize their way of (not) handling the Wate cheating scandal is the norm for the way they resolve problems then it's clear what needs to be done.... Vote with your CPU cycles, meaning that if you do not condone the predictor admins handling of this matter, take your crunchers elsewhere.... What little if any science are they going to get done if they have no one to crunch their WU's? |
Send message Joined: 4 Sep 05 Posts: 13 Credit: 536,862 RAC: 0 |
Nightbird If you read the final message in the thread linked to, you will find that the Admins there banned 2 people for posting false accusations. They also state that where there is no evidence they cannot assume a breaking of the rules. That seems to be fair enough. I haven't looked at their message board rules, but if there is mention of posting false or unsupported info that harms, or is intended to harm. another user, that would justify the 2 banishments mentioned. If Admins there declared the matter closed and asked that new threads beating this dead horse not be created, then it would be well within their rights to delete threads as they appear, again haven't looked for this, but they have stated that they are dealing with the person who has been proven to have violated their rules and from the Admin's comments & Pscheofer's complaint they are containing the issue in a manner they deem best. |
Send message Joined: 7 Mar 07 Posts: 59 Credit: 7,906 RAC: 0 |
...the Admins there banned 2 people for posting false accusations. Who gets to decide what constitutes a "false accusation"? If the Admins feel "harmed" by an accusation, I suppose they can conspicuously deem it "false" and invoke their convenient rule. It seems that the Admins have a monopoly on truth and "un-truth". I believe this is "un-good" (to use Orwellian New Speak.) If this really were the case, we wouldn't need discussion forums at all; we could just ask The Admins and get the truth. Well, Big Brother, I think I'll take leave of your dystopia. Signed: A former preditor@home participant. Ariel: Certified "Too Cute for LHC" Cruncher! . . . . . . . . . . . . -- Consider the lilies. |
Send message Joined: 13 Jul 05 Posts: 55 Credit: 41,230 RAC: 0 |
Nightbird Sure they try to contain complaints...banning people until 2038 or blocking whole IP ranges... Do you want to get banned for 31 years, your account and credits deleted at a Boinc project ? Predictor@home is your best choice. |
Send message Joined: 27 Aug 05 Posts: 55 Credit: 8,216 RAC: 0 |
Click here to vote for my Predictor profile! :-) Vote recommend and vote often! Join the Banned for Life team! me@rescam.org |
Send message Joined: 2 Sep 04 Posts: 165 Credit: 146,925 RAC: 0 |
BTW, from what I understand, and this is not well substantiated, it is over 20 people that have been banned. I believe many more have quit processing there because of this. BOINC WIKI |
Send message Joined: 4 Sep 05 Posts: 13 Credit: 536,862 RAC: 0 |
Grrr I was really out of it when I posted that last. My thoughts on the matter are the same, but here is the real text from that post. The mistakes I put in the last post are fair evidence of why the mob should not go on a rampage before doing some fact checking. <quote>This thread is closed. Please do not create a new one. Since this thread was first created I have deleted two other threads incorrectly accusing volunteers of cheating. If someone has installed the boinc client on machines that they do not have permission to that is wrong. I have no way of knowing if this has or hasn't happened. Just because "some guy" posted something on the internet is not good enough reason to take any action against anyone. dlb</quote> The major complaints I keep seeing are "I started a new thread discussing Wate and it was deleted". Not surprising since they asked that people treat the problem as handled & get on with their lives. As for false accusations, their final statement says it well; "Just because "some guy" posted something on the internet is not good enough reason to take any action against anyone" One of those banned said he had 7 new threads deleted ... maybe the Admins just got tired of swatting flies and put up screens, |
Send message Joined: 7 Mar 07 Posts: 59 Credit: 7,906 RAC: 0 |
In regards to this issue, Dagorath is on fire!... but this time the heat is hitting dead center!! His words are precisely on target and I couldn't agree more. Good thing he wasn't banned for the infamous flame-throwing in the renamed "Flame Fest 2007". Ironically, I disagree with nearly everything he said in that thread (a.k.a "Fairer distribution of work") but it was lots of fun. You have a hot head Dagorath, but it often thinks well. Ariel: Certified "Too Cute for LHC" Cruncher! . . . . . . . . . . . . -- Consider the lilies. |
Send message Joined: 1 Sep 04 Posts: 137 Credit: 1,732,510 RAC: 1,938 |
Plus this is not the first report of censorship and sensless bannings I have heard from Predictor. Several of our team members stopped crunching Predictor back in the fall of 2006 because one of our members was banned for bringing up some perfectly legitimate concerns. No spamming, no flames - just questions. I haven't spent enough time researching it all but the evidence certainly seems to be stacking up against the Predictor project... - A member of The Knights Who Say NI! My BOINC stats site |
Send message Joined: 25 Feb 07 Posts: 11 Credit: 7,956 RAC: 0 |
There may be some movement on this issue at Predictor. According to the QMC Forum, Mr. Braun has frozen the account. |
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