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Message 14866 - Posted: 25 Sep 2006, 4:12:46 UTC

hello
it is some days, i havn't woks! is it normal?
thanks for your explain.
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Message 14868 - Posted: 25 Sep 2006, 9:09:26 UTC - in response to Message 14866.  

before last batch we had no work for months. so a few days is pretty normal.
but i think they are working hard at the moment fixing al kind of issues
so be patient and wait

PS: lhc is by nature a project which will have periods of work followed by a period of no work.

hello
it is some days, i havn't woks! is it normal?
thanks for your explain.
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Message 14985 - Posted: 5 Oct 2006, 4:10:09 UTC

For having new work, it would be necessary that the last works in progress are finished.
Only after, "perhaps" new work will be distributed.

Therefore, if you want to usually have work, do not put a work cache higher than your means!
And, too, do not leave units a long time on your computer! Run them!

For what it should be added the fact that: "lhc is by nature a project which will have periods of work followed by a period of no work."

Sentence said and repeated at several places of the forum.

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Message 14987 - Posted: 5 Oct 2006, 5:48:33 UTC

After a while you will get used to how the LHC project works.

The best way is to just check every day to see if any work is available.

And while you are waiting just run another project (I run Einstein)and continue having LHC "attached" and set to "allow new tasks" and if you are online 24/7 then you have a chance to load some LHC work if you are lucky.

This time I was doing that and ready to load some LHC but I have a feeling my firewall must have stopped me from getting any work here even though I am online 24/7 via satellite.

That is why I should have checked that day and noticed there was a bit of LHC work waiting for a few minutes......and as you know once some of the members find out they load as much as they can.

I was hoping to test my new dual core machine too

At least I am testing it with the Einstein work (same with my other pc's)

But as you know if you are running lots of projects at the same time it will make it much harder to get any LHC work.


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Message 14991 - Posted: 5 Oct 2006, 13:29:24 UTC

Please look at the message boards before asking a question. Nobody expects you to read everything, but do look at the titles of the most recent threads.

Within the most recent ten threads is one headed

Please Note: this project rarely has work.



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Message 14992 - Posted: 5 Oct 2006, 13:49:13 UTC - in response to Message 14991.  
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I too have not been recieving any WU's from LHC... The last one I finished was several weeks ago (as in maybe 3 months) I am running my machine 24/7 with a fast cable connection and a total of 10 BOINC projects and have not had any problems with any except Predictor and LHC. (both quit doing WU's at about the same time) When I first started doing LHC over a year ago it banged them out on a daily basis without ever being 'down'. Then all at once it quit and never started up again. I get a message saying 'NO Work From Project' over and over.

10/5/2006 5:28:22 AM|lhcathome|Fetching scheduler list
10/5/2006 5:28:27 AM|lhcathome|Scheduler list download succeeded
10/5/2006 5:28:32 AM|lhcathome|Sending scheduler request to http://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome_cgi/cgi
10/5/2006 5:28:32 AM|lhcathome|Reason: To fetch work
10/5/2006 5:28:32 AM|lhcathome|Requesting 17280 seconds of new work
10/5/2006 5:28:37 AM|lhcathome|Scheduler request succeeded
10/5/2006 5:28:37 AM|lhcathome|No work from project
10/5/2006 5:28:37 AM|lhcathome|Deferring scheduler requests for 1 minutes and 0 seconds
10/5/2006 5:29:38 AM|lhcathome|Sending scheduler request to http://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome_cgi/cgi
10/5/2006 5:29:38 AM|lhcathome|Reason: To fetch work
10/5/2006 5:29:38 AM|lhcathome|Requesting 17280 seconds of new work
10/5/2006 5:29:43 AM|lhcathome|Scheduler request succeeded
10/5/2006 5:29:43 AM|lhcathome|No work from project
10/5/2006 5:29:43 AM|lhcathome|Deferring scheduler requests for 1 minutes and 0 seconds
10/5/2006 5:30:44 AM|lhcathome|Sending scheduler request to http://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome_cgi/cgi
10/5/2006 5:30:44 AM|lhcathome|Reason: To fetch work
10/5/2006 5:30:44 AM|lhcathome|Requesting 17280 seconds of new work
10/5/2006 5:30:49 AM|lhcathome|Scheduler request succeeded
10/5/2006 5:30:49 AM|lhcathome|No work from project
10/5/2006 5:30:49 AM|lhcathome|Deferring scheduler requests for 1 minutes and 0 seconds
and so on........

I realize the project has times of no WU's but it's been quite a while now...
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Message 14993 - Posted: 5 Oct 2006, 16:04:11 UTC - in response to Message 14992.  

I too have not been recieving any WU's from LHC... .


Please look at the message boards before asking a question. Nobody expects you to read everything, but do look at the titles of the most recent threads.

Within the most recent ten threads is *still* one headed

Please Note: this project rarely has work.
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Message 14994 - Posted: 5 Oct 2006, 22:15:50 UTC - in response to Message 14993.  
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I too have not been recieving any WU's from LHC... .


Please look at the message boards before asking a question. Nobody expects you to read everything, but do look at the titles of the most recent threads.

Within the most recent ten threads is *still* one headed

Please Note: this project rarely has work.


Of all the boards I am subscribed to, this is the only one where instead of an answer to a question everybody gets chastised for 'not posting all their questions in one thread' Yes I have read the 'other' posts concerning this issue, and no I still have not seen any answers except for the vague reply that 'LHC has moments of inactivity with no WU's being sent out' What I want to know is WHEN can we expect some new WU's being sent out??? I think 3 months of inactivity when you have so many linked computers sitting around waiting for work is rediculous. Whats more rediculous is the way people who want to crunch WU's are treated on this board when they ask a question. If your going to reply to a thread with a statement such as 'LHC has times when no WU's are being sent out' (seems to be a generic standard reply here) Why not just give the person a answer that gives more information??? (if you know it anyway) Seems to me thats the right thing to do isn't it? The reason I posted to this thread instead of the others was simple... It was the thread with the most recent activity concering this question at the time I posted, After all what difference does it really make what thread I post on, if all the answers are the same?? (no real answers, just everybody getting all huffy about the fact that a person is asking for some real answers and didn't post on the 'correct thread':

Please look at the message boards before asking a question. Nobody expects you to read everything, but do look at the titles of the most recent threads.

Within the most recent ten threads is *still* one headed

Please Note: this project rarely has work.


I have seen that post pretty much on EVERY thread I have looked at here. Why not just answer the question instead????

By the way I went 10 months straight without EVER being without a LHC WU. Now for the last 3+ months I have had NOTHING at all from LHC. What has changed???

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Message 14995 - Posted: 5 Oct 2006, 23:35:13 UTC
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If you read part NEWS of the main page, you will have already a little idea why during months you receive anything.

If you adds that LHC@home was made for SIMULATE the future LHC, that the principal data are finished and LHC will be soon in service.
There thus remain last details to be calculated, therefore rare.

To provide work again relatively usually, one speaks about launching the Garfield program.

Does that answer your questions?

To finish, BOINC is voluntary work, if you are not happy, nobody retains you!

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If you read part NEWS of the main page, you will have already a little idea why during months you receive anything.

If you adds that LHC@home was made for SIMULATE the future LHC, that the principal data are finished and LHC will be soon in service.
There thus remain last details to be calculated, therefore rare.

To provide work again relatively usually, one speaks about launching the Garfield program.

Does that answer your questions?

To finish, BOINC is voluntary work, if you are not happy, nobody retains you!


Ok here is the NEWS pages entries.....

Welcome to the LHC@home Project!


29.9.2006 13:21 UTC
Disk issue has been resolved.

29.9.2006 12:32 UTC
Project temporarily stopped, while a disk issue is being solved. A new batch of jobs are ready and will be loaded when the disks are fixed.

September 29, 2006
LHC@home server support will be migrated progressively from CERN to Queen Mary College over the next few weeks, with the support of GridPP. When the migration is completed for the primary application (Sixtrack), a new CERN application (Garfield) will be introduced on the server, running side by side with Sixtrack. This should assure a more even provision of work units for the LHC@home community.
We will make every effort to keep you informed as this transfer proceeds.


I see from the entry dated Sept 29th that 'Garfield' is to introduced in the next few weeks..... - Great!!!

Then I see on the entry dated Sept 20th above it (more recent) that 'project is temporarily stopped due to a disk issue and a new batch of jobs will be loaded when the disks are fixed' - Bummer but at least we are getting somewhere!!

Then I see as the last entry dated Sept 29th (an hour after the last entry, that 'disk issue has been resolved'

OK now that the disk issue has been resolved, where is 'the new batch of jobs that will be introduced when the disks are fixed'???

My question still stands, WHEN can we expect to see new work being sent out?? Another week?? another month??? a year??? is that such a hard question to give an answer to? Even a general estimate would suffice.

As far as your final statement:


To finish, BOINC is voluntary work, if you are not happy, nobody retains you!


That is exactly the attitude I'm talking about. Only on this project's boards would I expect to see such a reply. All of the other boards I subscribe to have been supportive and friendly to users who have has issues or questions, (both newbies as well as 'veteran' BOINC'rs) Why is it so different here?


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Message 14998 - Posted: 6 Oct 2006, 8:42:50 UTC - in response to Message 14997.  
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the problem is not that we are not supportive but that we are a little bit tired of all those people who are asking 'when is there work' while there are dozens of threads in the forum about this problem.
So please do a search and read those.


WHEN can we expect to see new work being sent out??

when there is
when the lhc gods are happy


If you read................... different here?[/b]



edit: removed the most of the quotes
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Message 14999 - Posted: 6 Oct 2006, 13:55:44 UTC - in response to Message 14998.  

when the lhc gods are happy


Okiez fair enuff.....

*tosses in a couple of fresh off the grill hamburgers, 2 sixers of beer and his ex-girlfriend as an offering to the LHC gods.....*

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"HOLY ****... WHAT A RIDE!!"


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Message 15000 - Posted: 6 Oct 2006, 14:15:52 UTC - in response to Message 14999.  

:)

good try
lets see if it works

when the lhc gods are happy


Okiez fair enuff.....

*tosses in a couple of fresh off the grill hamburgers, 2 sixers of beer and his ex-girlfriend as an offering to the LHC gods.....*


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Message 15002 - Posted: 6 Oct 2006, 14:57:32 UTC - in response to Message 14994.  

...After all what difference does it really make what thread I post on, if all the answers are the same??


because it is easier for everyone to collapse together threads that are about the same subject. Then we don't get half the answer here, half the answer there, etc.

That is why I have been trying to re-direct all queries to the one same thread. If your question truly is not answered there, make it clear, in that thread, which aspect of the question remains unclear, and we can clarify it, not only for you but for others who ask that same q later.

And because it is less irritating to everyone else not to have half the threads on this board filled with the same q

The answer won't change. There is often no work on this site. There is usually no work on this site. We don't know when there will be work on this site. If you think any of those statements are ridiculous, please go somewhere else where you will not feel so uncomfortable - for your good and for ours.

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Message 15003 - Posted: 6 Oct 2006, 15:07:42 UTC - in response to Message 14997.  


Welcome to the LHC@home Project!


29.9.2006 13:21 UTC
Disk issue has been resolved.

29.9.2006 12:32 UTC
Project temporarily stopped, while a disk issue is being solved. A new batch of jobs are ready and will be loaded when the disks are fixed.
...

...
OK now that the disk issue has been resolved, where is 'the new batch of jobs that will be introduced when the disks are fixed'???


Look at Scarecrows graphs, as suggested in the other thread, and you will see that that work has been and gone. Sad yes.

It happens and I missed it too - but I used the tools other participants have provied to find out what had happened to them.

Don't know what I mean by Scarecrows graphs? Please find the istructions in the other thread. You know, the one headed "Please note: This project rarely has work".

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Message 15019 - Posted: 7 Oct 2006, 23:59:28 UTC

Thank you for yours all answers!
like someone i think WU's beging again, but no for this moment.
excuse to ask question, like too many people.
But i'm happy to have some answers, thank again!
bye and yes BOINC is voluntary work, and i'm happy, me retains me, lol.
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Message 15039 - Posted: 11 Oct 2006, 0:53:09 UTC

NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I go to wash my self, I come back and all was distributed!

I CRY ALL WATER ABSORPTIVE BY OSMOSIS DURING MY SHOWER! lol

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Message 15040 - Posted: 11 Oct 2006, 1:03:10 UTC

I just got some so there might be some floating around out there


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Message 15041 - Posted: 11 Oct 2006, 1:10:14 UTC

If I had 3 works, I would be happy.
Even only one!

Let us hope that they are run quickly…

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Message 15042 - Posted: 11 Oct 2006, 1:42:27 UTC

It was enough to ask…
I have just received work!

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