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Message 15724 - Posted: 28 Nov 2006, 20:14:31 UTC

Well thanks to the discussion I started on the developer mailing list, BOINC now has a feature for members of teams with inactive founders to request the foundership and have it transfered to them without admin intervention. However LHC will have to update their php code and their database tables before this feature will become available. This almost certainly won't happen until the move to QMC in January. You've waited this long... whats another month? :)
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Message 15725 - Posted: 28 Nov 2006, 20:31:00 UTC - in response to Message 15724.  

Well thanks to the discussion I started on the developer mailing list, BOINC now has a feature for members of teams with inactive founders to request the foundership and have it transfered to them without admin intervention. However LHC will have to update their php code and their database tables before this feature will become available. This almost certainly won't happen until the move to QMC in January. You've waited this long... whats another month? :)

That was a recent change, and LHC is missing modifications from months ago - maybe even a year. Lots of things changed, wouldn't be easy to upgrade, I doubt they will do it soon.
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Message 15726 - Posted: 28 Nov 2006, 20:48:37 UTC - in response to Message 15725.  

... BOINC now has a feature for members of teams with inactive founders to request the foundership and have it transfered to them without admin intervention. However LHC will have to update their php code and their database tables ...

That was a recent change, and LHC is missing modifications from months ago - maybe even a year. Lots of things changed, wouldn't be easy to upgrade, I doubt they will do it soon.



Yes, the issue is that Chrulle tweaked the server code to provide variable deadlines, so that urgent work could be run ahead of routine work.

The project do not want to discard that new code of Chrulle's, and that means it is not as simple as installing the udgraded server from the install files.
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Message 15727 - Posted: 28 Nov 2006, 21:05:03 UTC - in response to Message 15726.  
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... BOINC now has a feature for members of teams with inactive founders to request the foundership and have it transfered to them without admin intervention. However LHC will have to update their php code and their database tables ...

That was a recent change, and LHC is missing modifications from months ago - maybe even a year. Lots of things changed, wouldn't be easy to upgrade, I doubt they will do it soon.


Yes, the issue is that Chrulle tweaked the server code to provide variable deadlines, so that urgent work could be run ahead of routine work.

The project do not want to discard that new code of Chrulle's, and that means it is not as simple as installing the udgraded server from the install files.

How to avoid this in the future: make modifications on the code downloaded from CVS. Running cvs update on that directory later will merge server changes with local changes when required.

EDIT: waaait a minute... variable deadlines? Why does that need server tweaks? Different deadlines can be set to *each workunit* since I started looking at server stuff...
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Message 15728 - Posted: 28 Nov 2006, 22:30:50 UTC

> Thanks for the feedback guys, I can wait another month or two.
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Message 15729 - Posted: 28 Nov 2006, 23:05:03 UTC

Well it sounds like QMC is setting up a brand new server so hopefully they will start from scratch and use the latest boinc source code and then port whatever customizations LHC has to the new code. I don't think the variable deadline change will be a problem in this process. Especially for the php code that runs the website which is what we are talking about here. All it requires is a change to the team table and an update of the php files.
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Message 15745 - Posted: 30 Nov 2006, 2:24:19 UTC - in response to Message 15727.  

... BOINC now has a feature for members of teams with inactive founders to request the foundership and have it transfered to them without admin intervention. However LHC will have to update their php code and their database tables ...

That was a recent change, and LHC is missing modifications from months ago - maybe even a year. Lots of things changed, wouldn't be easy to upgrade, I doubt they will do it soon.


Yes, the issue is that Chrulle tweaked the server code to provide variable deadlines, so that urgent work could be run ahead of routine work.

The project do not want to discard that new code of Chrulle's, and that means it is not as simple as installing the udgraded server from the install files.

How to avoid this in the future: make modifications on the code downloaded from CVS. Running cvs update on that directory later will merge server changes with local changes when required.

EDIT: waaait a minute... variable deadlines? Why does that need server tweaks? Different deadlines can be set to *each workunit* since I started looking at server stuff...

I believe that work that was never returned gets a shorter deadline when re-issued.


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Message 15747 - Posted: 30 Nov 2006, 3:01:22 UTC - in response to Message 15745.  

EDIT: waaait a minute... variable deadlines? Why does that need server tweaks? Different deadlines can be set to *each workunit* since I started looking at server stuff...

I believe that work that was never returned gets a shorter deadline when re-issued.

That's currently an official feature as well.
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Message 15750 - Posted: 1 Dec 2006, 0:17:24 UTC - in response to Message 15724.  

Well thanks to the discussion I started on the developer mailing list, BOINC now has a feature for members of teams with inactive founders to request the foundership and have it transfered to them without admin intervention. However LHC will have to update their php code and their database tables before this feature will become available. This almost certainly won't happen until the move to QMC in January. You've waited this long... whats another month? :)


Do any projects have this modification yet and where did they hide it ?

I've been looking (on other projects, not here) but have not seen it anywhere yet...
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Message 15751 - Posted: 1 Dec 2006, 0:37:21 UTC - in response to Message 15750.  

Well thanks to the discussion I started on the developer mailing list, BOINC now has a feature for members of teams with inactive founders to request the foundership and have it transfered to them without admin intervention. However LHC will have to update their php code and their database tables before this feature will become available. This almost certainly won't happen until the move to QMC in January. You've waited this long... whats another month? :)


Do any projects have this modification yet and where did they hide it ?

I've been looking (on other projects, not here) but have not seen it anywhere yet...

Renderfarm has it.
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Message 15752 - Posted: 1 Dec 2006, 6:14:20 UTC

seti has it as well. It only shows up if the team founder is inactive. Not sure what they used to determine activity but probably RAC dropping below a certain level or something like that. I haven't reviewed the code but if I'm remembering the discussion correctly, when you make use of the feature it sends both you and the founder an email. If the founder doesn't respond and you do then it will transfer the team to you after some number of days (a month or two I think).
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Message 17133 - Posted: 27 Jun 2007, 13:29:01 UTC - in response to Message 14957.  

To the SysAdmin/Moderator or just a person with the nessecary power.
The team that I have joined has no founder as he passed away on the 16/8/05. I would like to take the team over with the hope of increasing it when I get the Web page thing sorted out. I have asked this of all the projects in the team as I participate in all of them. I am the only other member of the team.
So I am asking to be made the team Founder.
Team name is TeamAUS
Original founder is Craig Zuvich
My name is Conan
Country is Australia.

Can you please make me the Founder of TeamAUS.

Thank you for your time.


To the Project Administrators,
As this project is back on the go I would like to see if this matter I asked about over 70 days ago could be seen to.
As stated above I would very much like to made the founder of this team. I am the only active member since the founder passed away (16/8/05).
If this could be done it would be very much appreciated. Thank you for your time.


Time to bump this up.
Whilst you are working on the database, web page and such could you also have a look at this 200+ day old request of mine please.
I am still looking at being this teams founder as I am still the only active member (the only member seeing as the Founder passed away).
Thanks again for your time in this matter.
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Message 17141 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 8:38:08 UTC
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After a cursory glance it seems that only a teams founder can do that easily but I will look into it some more.
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Message 17146 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 16:13:04 UTC

Could you please include me on this request for Canada. Our founder has been inactive for some time on all projects and we have not got any replies to our emails which we have been trying for a few months now.
Check out the forum for Canada the #1 Canadian team.

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Message 17148 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 20:44:25 UTC

Neasan, You must not be running an up to date php codebase. The BOINC web code has had a feature in it for several months now that allows a team member to request foundership if the founder is inactive. It sends an email to the founder asking them to respond within 60 (or was it 90?) days and if no response is received then the original requester can take over foundership.

Any chance you could install this update? The Knights Who Say Ni! could use a new founder as well. Haven't seen F-12 Pilot online in serveral months now.
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Message 17149 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 22:04:21 UTC - in response to Message 17148.  

Neasan, You must not be running an up to date php codebase. The BOINC web code has had a feature in it for several months now that allows a team member to request foundership if the founder is inactive. It sends an email to the founder asking them to respond within 60 (or was it 90?) days and if no response is received then the original requester can take over foundership.

Any chance you could install this update? The Knights Who Say Ni! could use a new founder as well. Haven't seen F-12 Pilot online in serveral months now.

All the projects I transfered on it was 60 days.
Check out the forum for Canada the #1 Canadian team.

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Message 17150 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 22:08:20 UTC - in response to Message 17146.  

Could you please include me on this request for Canada. Our founder has been inactive for some time on all projects and we have not got any replies to our emails which we have been trying for a few months now.


Is this team Canada the one. It has a recruitment thread over at SETI. Pawly took it over some time ago.
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Message 17151 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 1:50:08 UTC - in response to Message 17150.  

Is this team Canada the one. It has a recruitment thread over at SETI. Pawly took it over some time ago.


Yes Pawly and I are admins at the forum where we are uniting the Canada teams.
The link to the forum is in my signature.
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Message 17165 - Posted: 30 Jun 2007, 2:04:50 UTC - in response to Message 17141.  

After a cursory glance it seems that only a teams founder can do that easily but I will look into it some more.


Thanks Neasan, much appreciated.
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Message 17170 - Posted: 30 Jun 2007, 20:15:51 UTC
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Team USA also wishes too see this function added.

The code allows another member to make an automatic request to become founder, without having to keep asking for the admin to intervene and make manual changes, email is sent to founder automatically, if the current founder does not respond within 60 days (approved or denied), the requester can then complete the transfer and become founder. This is useful when the founder goes missing and is not contactable, either just gives up boinc or maybe is deceased.

I've been waiting since september 2005 for this to appear here, another 60 days wait won't matter.
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