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Antonio Regidor Garcí­a

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Message 13493 - Posted: 2 May 2006, 10:41:01 UTC

Some years ago, Carlo Rubbia, former director of the CERN, invented a new type of nuclear reactor, the "energy amplifier", that recycles nuclear waste while producing energy. I want to know what is the present state of this project, but searching by internet I only can find documentation from 10 years ago or so. Somebody knows what happened to this project?
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Message 13494 - Posted: 2 May 2006, 17:59:41 UTC

Sorry I cannot help you on this subject.

I can, however, tell you that (according to a source in 2005)
Carlo Rubbia is a full professor of physics at Pavia University in Italy.
( http://www.up.ac.za/academic/natural/eng/news/Persverklaringsaip.htm )

For anyone interested, the 75 page paper (in PDF format) from 10 years ago
can be obtained here - [url]http://preprints.cern.ch/cgi-bin/setlink?base=preprint&categ=.&id=CERN-LHC-96-001 [/url]



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Message 13496 - Posted: 3 May 2006, 6:18:12 UTC
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Wikipedia has a brief description of this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubbia_reactor

I'm guessing that nobody has built a commercial sized reactor due to the fact that you need to feed the reaction with complex equipment.

From the Wikipedia entry:
Disadvantages
* General technical difficulties
* Each reactor needs its own facility (synchrotron) to generate the neutron beam, which is very costly.
* No synchrotron of sufficient power has ever been built.



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Message 13497 - Posted: 3 May 2006, 6:32:39 UTC - in response to Message 13496.  

Wikipedia has a brief description of this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubbia_reactor

I'm guessing that nobody has built a commercial sized reactor due to the fact that you need to feed the reaction with complex equipment.

From the Wikipedia entry:
Disadvantages
* General technical difficulties
* Each reactor needs its own facility (synchrotron) to generate the neutron beam, which is very costly.
* No synchrotron of sufficient power has ever been built.




Sir,
What are the details of the General tech Difficulties and does the cost outway the lives saved if thiers a chain reaction?

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Message 13499 - Posted: 3 May 2006, 8:13:07 UTC
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No idea on the cost of something new like the Rubbio reactor.

Considering that we spend 6 cents per kilowatt hour on something as simple as bringing nuclear rods near heavy water and pumping the hot heavy water to a heat exchanger, the laws of economics may say have us going after solar, wind, and fuel cells powered by bio fuels before we start aiming beams at lumps of nuclear fuel.

How much does a synchrotron cost? Do we run them as a continuous light source currently, or do we use them like a flashbulb for a really bright light for a short lived experiment.

A synchrotron is made up of supermagnets, cryogenic fluids, vacuum chambers, shielding to protect people from gamma rays, http://www.lightsource.ca/education/whatis.php

Canada's light source cost 174 million dollars, and is used as a light source for scientific experiments. http://www.wd.gc.ca/innovation/cdnlightsource/default_e.asp so it's not intended to be the front end to a power plant.

Considering that people are concerned about gamma rays from the experimental sized equipment, you can be sure that an industrial sized objects would be of larger concern to the public. http://www.synchrotron.vic.gov.au/content.asp?document_id=276



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Message 13502 - Posted: 3 May 2006, 17:43:43 UTC - in response to Message 13499.  

No idea on the cost of something new like the Rubbio reactor.

Considering that we spend 6 cents per kilowatt hour on something as simple as bringing nuclear rods near heavy water and pumping the hot heavy water to a heat exchanger, the laws of economics may say have us going after solar, wind, and fuel cells powered by bio fuels before we start aiming beams at lumps of nuclear fuel.

How much does a synchrotron cost? Do we run them as a continuous light source currently, or do we use them like a flashbulb for a really bright light for a short lived experiment.

A synchrotron is made up of supermagnets, cryogenic fluids, vacuum chambers, shielding to protect people from gamma rays, http://www.lightsource.ca/education/whatis.php

Canada's light source cost 174 million dollars, and is used as a light source for scientific experiments. http://www.wd.gc.ca/innovation/cdnlightsource/default_e.asp so it's not intended to be the front end to a power plant.

Considering that people are concerned about gamma rays from the experimental sized equipment, you can be sure that an industrial sized objects would be of larger concern to the public. http://www.synchrotron.vic.gov.au/content.asp?document_id=276



Thank you Alex for your wisdom.
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Message 13504 - Posted: 4 May 2006, 4:13:47 UTC - in response to Message 13502.  


Thank you Alex for your wisdom.
Ernie
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I thank google and wikipedia.


I'm not the LHC Alex. Just a number cruncher like everyone else here.
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Message 13505 - Posted: 4 May 2006, 4:34:51 UTC - in response to Message 13504.  


Thank you Alex for your wisdom.
Ernie
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God Bless You


I thank google and wikipedia.



Alex
I've read just about everything you've contributed to, I thank you sir!

God Bless You
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