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Message 13044 - Posted: 16 Mar 2006, 1:41:15 UTC

Anyone know why LHC isn't giving out new work there?
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Message 13045 - Posted: 16 Mar 2006, 6:17:46 UTC - in response to Message 13044.  
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Anyone know why LHC isn't giving out new work there?


LHC is 'study' based. A study is run, the results are analysed, then another study is run. There is usually a gap of a few days between studies. We're in a 'gap' right now.

BTW - this question has been asked (and answered) numerous times in the number crunching forum, and on the questions boards.


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Message 13057 - Posted: 17 Mar 2006, 3:51:27 UTC - in response to Message 13045.  

Anyone know why LHC isn't giving out new work there?


LHC is 'study' based. A study is run, the results are analysed, then another study is run. There is usually a gap of a few days between studies. We're in a 'gap' right now.

BTW - this question has been asked (and answered) numerous times in the number crunching forum, and on the questions boards.


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" A few days?????????"

I would say that this project gets work every couple of weeks.....
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Message 13062 - Posted: 17 Mar 2006, 17:10:24 UTC - in response to Message 13057.  

You must also notice that all of the work units haven't been returned yet. This may be the one reason for delay.
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Message 13089 - Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 10:07:14 UTC
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a delay of more than 3 week's?

The last work I get is 25days ago.

Is it right,
or did I have a Problem with my maschine?

Such a long off-time should be not only discussed here,
a short statement on the main page would be more probalty.
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Message 13099 - Posted: 21 Mar 2006, 19:50:25 UTC

I suggest that you glance the number crunching forum. There is a quite good explanation about this situation. The work will be quite irregular from now on and so it has been already a while.

And still I'm pointing that the previous study is not completed yet (workunits still in progress) and scientist need also time to analyse the results of previous studies to make a new bunch of work.
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Message 13117 - Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 14:53:36 UTC

I really want to help out with the LHC project but until LHC can provide a reasonable workunit database I guess I will have to go elsewhere to keep the machines here busy, 2, 3 or 4 weeks or more without workunits makes me wonder if the folks at LHC really want to keep their crunchers. I'll try back in a month or so, in the meantime I will detach from the project.
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Message 13118 - Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 16:25:53 UTC

I would ask you for second time to look at the Number crunching forum but I won't because some won't still understand. There has been quite much debate about this phenomen.

The idea of hole BOINC is that you can take several projects and crunch them simultaneusly. When one project is out of work computers keep crunching others and return to the one when work is available in there. Many of cruchers have lost this idea when all the other projects have work 24/7. LHC:s nature isn't just that anymore.

It's up to you whether to stay or vanish but hope you understood.
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Message 13119 - Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 19:58:15 UTC - in response to Message 13117.  

I really want to help out with the LHC project but until LHC can provide a reasonable workunit database I guess I will have to go elsewhere to keep the machines here busy, 2, 3 or 4 weeks or more without workunits makes me wonder if the folks at LHC really want to keep their crunchers. I'll try back in a month or so, in the meantime I will detach from the project.


The 100% workload of this project is over permanently, so the short answer is that if that is what you want from a project then there is no point checking back.

The long answer follows.

There is no rule that says a BOINC project must offer work 24/365. LHC is the first of a new breed of projects that (at my guess) will become more and more common in future - projects needing a high level of resource but only in short bursts.

There is no rule that says that participants have to like continuous work, nor any rule that says participants have to like intermittent work. Your taste may vary and that is fine. Intermittent work will not suit everyone.

There is a rule of common sense that says you volunteer where what is on offer suits your own taste. There is a rule of courtesy that says that if this project is not to your taste, you leave politely and take with you our good wishes crunching for someone else.

Finally, I'd point out that LHC has enough crunchers. Many other projects -- and Rosetta in particular -- are desperate for more cpu time, LHC is not. All the more reason why at present LHC only needs to keep those on board who are totally happy with the set-up here.

You clearly have a lot to contribute: I really appreciate that.

You deserve to make your contribution where you get most out of it in terms of your own satisfaction. Sounds to me like your plans to go elsewhere are the better choice for your tastes.

hope that helps
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Message 13121 - Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 21:56:29 UTC

I myself am thankful to get what I get.......
thank you LHC
God Bless you all
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Message 13123 - Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 9:06:32 UTC - in response to Message 13099.  

I suggest that you glance the number crunching forum. There is a quite good explanation about this situation. The work will be quite irregular from now on and so it has been already a while.

And still I'm pointing that the previous study is not completed yet (workunits still in progress) and scientist need also time to analyse the results of previous studies to make a new bunch of work.


I understand this situation,
but that I would like to have,
is a shortmessage on the main-page

a simply message like
" immo the results of the last run were diskussed, an the next workunits will be prepaired. Await new workunits in approx xx week's
thx for supporting the LHC"

a simply statement,
so that not evry normal-user serch or ask in the boards about the situation (and so the number crunching ;) )
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Message 13124 - Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 11:16:24 UTC - in response to Message 13123.  

It is normally not known when there will be a new batch of work available. If the scientists inform the project managers they will post a news item, if not then you find out there is work when it downloads.

I don't ever remember this project ever having regular work, although I do remember a set of 2 or 3 studies that came so close together that we never actually drained the queue completely.

I also am thankful to BOINC for making this type of project viable. I am also looking forward to the next intermittant project going public, BURP. Allthough that project will really not appeal to the traditional participant. It will likely have very short deadlines when it goes into production, 1 to 3 days probably, current test tasks are all 1 day deadlines.
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