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Message 13194 - Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 22:13:38 UTC

Yeah... Ipoorman... Great idea for a central BOINC newsletter. It would certainly remove some of this uncertainty from the BOINC scene. Updates from all projects both scientific and technological. How about US participants contributing interesting BOINC related stuff too... I know for a fact, the countless times I've posted the same information on heat/hardware related issues regarding BOINC machines that this sort of thing would be better covered in a newsletter or even a mini-site that all projects can post to, thus putting all BOINC news in one place.

It's all well and good having a website per project, but it would be interesting don't you think to put all tech/scientific progress and articles answering those all too common newbie posts that so frequently appear on all the projects boards in one place. I know there's the WIKI, but that can only go into so much depth, and doesn't attempt (nor should it) to cover the scientific angle of each project. Plus it gives the new user more information and a different type of information about a project than he/she could glean by reading the oh so short introductory pages on some of the project sites.
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Message 13280 - Posted: 8 Apr 2006, 21:03:20 UTC

I'm sure we can all supply Chrulle with a character reference for a new job if he needs one :)


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Message 13282 - Posted: 9 Apr 2006, 0:28:57 UTC

If Chrulle joins up with Malaria, should definitely help with their project here. After the time and experience he's had on this project (of which I definitely haven't seen any technical issues crunching for), he's definitely got a lot to offer. Well good luck in your future endevors :)

Oh, and yeah, the idea for a newsletter seems somewhat similar to what prompted the creation of the BOINC wikki, with the intent to get various things in one source. Not a bad idea at all... In fact, on my team's site, they ended up creating a forum for project updates, where the various updates from each of the projects can get posted for forum visitors to see. However, that's more in our own forum then a news letter per se... Much like the wikki, this could help get all the announcements centralized to one location. Might also mean less searching about, when for instance trying to get an update on when planet quest will open up to testers and when peeps can start signing up.
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Message 13433 - Posted: 24 Apr 2006, 17:43:09 UTC
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LHC hardly ever has work. If LHC has work you'd better grub it up. I used to not like LHC's short deadlines and BOINC's behavior with it but I didn't know the LHC's work was very intermittent. Now i like it. To grub up the most possible work, make a home/work/schoool profile (probably school) that has 10 day cache and assign all your compmputers to that special profile for LHC only (Global prefs but profile assignment is per-project). Then Suspend all projects but LHC and press update and you should grub up to your WU quota in LHC. Once downloading is finished, turn all your other projects back on. About 3-4 days of non-stop crunching. Your CPDN WUs will guarentee BOINC going to NDF mode (immediately upon download) and crunching LHC first (and well before the deadline). You may get 2 trips before LHC's work batch runs out if the machine is fast enough.

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Message 13437 - Posted: 25 Apr 2006, 9:14:51 UTC

I have enjoyed participating in the various BOINC projects but am perplexed by the continous "no work available" from the LHC server. Being fairly new to this distributive computing system, I am wondering if I should remove the LHC project from my list and replace it with something else for the time being or should I "hang in there". Probably there is an answer somewhere in this thread but I haven't found it yet. Thanks to any and all for any information or help you/they can give.
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Message 13438 - Posted: 25 Apr 2006, 9:20:07 UTC - in response to Message 13437.  

I have enjoyed participating in the various BOINC projects but am perplexed by the continous "no work available" from the LHC server. Being fairly new to this distributive computing system, I am wondering if I should remove the LHC project from my list and replace it with something else for the time being or should I "hang in there". Probably there is an answer somewhere in this thread but I haven't found it yet. Thanks to any and all for any information or help you/they can give.


LHC has always been this way - the physicists generate a batch of work, then analyse the results before a new batch is generated. The gap between batches can vary from a day or two to some weeks. My advice is to hang in there and let BOINC do its stuff. Attach to another project at a low priority if you want to keep your machines busy.

If you disconnect then you might miss out when work is available again. If you prefer a project with a continuous work load there are plenty to choose from.

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Message 13439 - Posted: 25 Apr 2006, 9:49:28 UTC - in response to Message 13438.  

I have enjoyed participating in the various BOINC projects but am perplexed by the continous "no work available" from the LHC server. Being fairly new to this distributive computing system, I am wondering if I should remove the LHC project from my list and replace it with something else for the time being or should I "hang in there". Probably there is an answer somewhere in this thread but I haven't found it yet. Thanks to any and all for any information or help you/they can give.


LHC has always been this way - the physicists generate a batch of work, then analyse the results before a new batch is generated. The gap between batches can vary from a day or two to some weeks. My advice is to hang in there and let BOINC do its stuff. Attach to another project at a low priority if you want to keep your machines busy.

If you disconnect then you might miss out when work is available again. If you prefer a project with a continuous work load there are plenty to choose from.


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Message 13440 - Posted: 25 Apr 2006, 9:51:58 UTC

Thanks Mike, I will leave things as they are. I will also check with the forum from time to time.

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Message 13447 - Posted: 25 Apr 2006, 11:46:58 UTC - in response to Message 13437.  

... I am wondering if I should remove the LHC project from my list and replace it with something else for the time being or should I "hang in there". ...


only you know that.

This project has sporadic work, fact. Other projects have continuous (or near-continouous work, fact.

Does it annoy you to have a project that is seeking work to no avail? Opinion.

Do you prefer to crunch just one project? Opinion.

There are relatively few crunchers on this prroject, so it is easier to get a higher (smaller number) position in the project ranking, fact.

Does rating mean more to you than continuity? Opinion.

With sporadic work, you cannot control exactly the project share (your other projects tend to get more than you specified, over a period of time, due to the down times on this project), fact.

some people find that absolutely infuriating. opinion.

This is a design project in support of a physics experiment, fact.

This project has enough crunchers - if you stay or if you go will not make a huge difference to the progress of the work. Fact. There are other projects (eg Rosetta) seeking vast numbers of new crunchers. Fact.

Which of these facts matter to you? Which of these opinions do you share, and which do you find so wierd that you don't understand how anyone could feel that way?

Add it all up, and you don't get a "should", there are no rules about the answer. But with luck you will get an "I want". And you are the donor here - you get to give your boxes time exactly where you want to.

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ps - I want to stay, I like the good ratings and I like the fact of it being physics. But that says more about me than about this project.

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Message 13461 - Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 22:04:07 UTC

Once the wu are available, how long does it take to finish one on average?

Say on a P4...


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Message 13462 - Posted: 26 Apr 2006, 22:24:22 UTC - in response to Message 13461.  

Once the wu are available, how long does it take to finish one on average?

Say on a P4...



Reckon on 3 - 4 hours on a P4 of 2.6GHz or faster. Most WUs are 100,000 turns, but sometimes 1,000,000 turn WUs are issued which take around 10 times as long (oddly!). WUs can also finish very quickly (in seconds or minutes) if the stability of the simulated beam is poor.


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Message 13466 - Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 20:23:32 UTC

I have a concern. I like the project. but I find that I haven't recieved any work since my initial project. Would there be a way to help with my predicament.
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Message 13467 - Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 20:45:27 UTC - in response to Message 13466.  

I have a concern. I like the project. but I find that I haven't recieved any work since my initial project. Would there be a way to help with my predicament.


Add another project and crunch that at a low priority while LHC is out of work. Easy!

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Message 13469 - Posted: 27 Apr 2006, 22:21:00 UTC - in response to Message 13467.  

I have a concern. I like the project. but I find that I haven't recieved any work since my initial project. Would there be a way to help with my predicament.


Add another project and crunch that at a low priority while LHC is out of work. Easy!


I have four othe projects attacked but still no luck.
I have no work from any of them. besides one evey other week.
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Message 13470 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 1:17:50 UTC - in response to Message 13469.  


I have four othe projects attacked but still no luck.
I have no work from any of them. besides one evey other week.


Einstein@home, Sztaki Desktop Grid, Rosetta@home, BOINC Simap, etc.

All of those have plenty of work.
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Message 13471 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 5:14:25 UTC - in response to Message 13470.  


I have four othe projects attacked but still no luck.
I have no work from any of them. besides one evey other week.


Einstein@home, Sztaki Desktop Grid, Rosetta@home, BOINC Simap, etc.

All of those have plenty of work.


Not to mention CPDN, but their WU's can take up to 3000 hours of continous crunching to complete.

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Message 13475 - Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 23:51:09 UTC - in response to Message 13470.  


I have four othe projects attacked but still no luck.
I have no work from any of them. besides one evey other week.


Einstein@home, Sztaki Desktop Grid, Rosetta@home, BOINC Simap, etc.

All of those have plenty of work.

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I see that you are running BOINC on a laptop, so it could be that your settings do not crunch if you are running on battery power? That is all I can think of.........Do you get any error messages from the projects you mentioned above?
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Message 13476 - Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 0:37:52 UTC - in response to Message 13475.  


I have four othe projects attacked but still no luck.
I have no work from any of them. besides one evey other week.


Einstein@home, Sztaki Desktop Grid, Rosetta@home, BOINC Simap, etc.

All of those have plenty of work.

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I see that you are running BOINC on a laptop, so it could be that your settings do not crunch if you are running on battery power? That is all I can think of.........Do you get any error messages from the projects you mentioned above?


First of all sorry for the typing.
Secondly when I did have those projects they all said that either the project was down or that there was no more work. Since then I have discarded those projects and I usually don't run the program when on batteries but I always have it on run always so that that should not be a problem.
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Message 13477 - Posted: 29 Apr 2006, 3:17:28 UTC - in response to Message 13476.  


First of all sorry for the typing.
Secondly when I did have those projects they all said that either the project was down or that there was no more work. Since then I have discarded those projects and I usually don't run the program when on batteries but I always have it on run always so that that should not be a problem.


Can you post the last few messages from your stdout file? That should shed some light on why you aren't getting work. It's possible that the amount of time you have your laptop on may not allow it to finish work unit before the deadline.


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Message 13490 - Posted: 1 May 2006, 1:32:14 UTC - in response to Message 13477.  


First of all sorry for the typing.
Secondly when I did have those projects they all said that either the project was down or that there was no more work. Since then I have discarded those projects and I usually don't run the program when on batteries but I always have it on run always so that that should not be a problem.


Can you post the last few messages from your stdout file? That should shed some light on why you aren't getting work. It's possible that the amount of time you have your laptop on may not allow it to finish work unit before the deadline.
what stdout file???


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