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my boinc manager indicates the credits I recieve for the aloted time use, but what do these credits mean to me, are they just a referance of tracking participation or does the "credit" have real meaning? When viewing home page my credit is always zero, but the manager shows percentage numbers and standard decimal numbers of logged credit.

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Credits were designed as a fair way to represent how much work each user accomplishes. The main factor in the formula to calculate such a value is processor time. What do you mean by "real meaning?"

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I think the BOINC Wiki has the most comprehensive description of Credits aka "Cobblestones" :

http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Computation_of_Credit

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I think the BOINC Wiki has the most comprehensive description of Credits aka "Cobblestones" :

http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Computation_of_Credit

If it doesn't, it is not for the lack of trying ...

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my boinc manager indicates the credits I recieve for the aloted time use, ... When viewing home page my credit is always zero,

hi Jeff,

is this the account you are crunching from?

Because it looks like you have only one computer that has not ever returned any work units. What was happening last time you had work units, did they get as far as "Ready to Report" ?

At this point you have done all the work but not yet got the credit logged to the central database. More important for the science, although you have uploaded the results, your box has not yet told the scientists that you have done so.

Even if there is no more work coming in, you need to leave BOINC running till the 'Ready to Report' items disappear from the Work tab. At that point you will see the credit instead in the pages on the website.

If you don't want to wait, perhaps because you want to turn the box off, then in the Projects tab highlight the project and click the Update button. Change to the Work tab and wait for the 'Ready to Report' items to vanish.

Only you will have to wait till new year to do that on LHC, as they are giving the servers Xmas off (see home page). You can always try it out on another project, I'd recommend Rosetta as they are really friendly over there and their work units are small enough not to get in your way too much when LHC comes back.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Crunching.

River~~

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His daily quota has been reduced to 99/day. This suggest to me that he has returned one result but it had some kind of error and hence wasn't given any credit.

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Credits were designed as a fair way to represent how much work each user accomplishes. The main factor in the formula to calculate such a value is processor time. What do you mean by "real meaning?"

Thank you for your input.
jeff

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my boinc manager indicates the credits I recieve for the aloted time use, ... When viewing home page my credit is always zero,

hi Jeff,

is this the account you are crunching from?

Because it looks like you have only one computer that has not ever returned any work units. What was happening last time you had work units, did they get as far as "Ready to Report" ?

At this point you have done all the work but not yet got the credit logged to the central database. More important for the science, although you have uploaded the results, your box has not yet told the scientists that you have done so.

Even if there is no more work coming in, you need to leave BOINC running till the 'Ready to Report' items disappear from the Work tab. At that point you will see the credit instead in the pages on the website.

If you don't want to wait, perhaps because you want to turn the box off, then in the Projects tab highlight the project and click the Update button. Change to the Work tab and wait for the 'Ready to Report' items to vanish.

Only you will have to wait till new year to do that on LHC, as they are giving the servers Xmas off (see home page). You can always try it out on another project, I'd recommend Rosetta as they are really friendly over there and their work units are small enough not to get in your way too much when LHC comes back.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Crunching.

River~~

Thank you for your input River, I think that I may have reset the project at near the time that they were preparing for the christmas shut down, wiping off what was their and as there has been no work since the numbers are zero currently. My Einstien shows, Total credit:329.80 and average credit:69.54 My Seti sight says total credit:139.52 and average credit:14.65 currently, being that i am a new member and moderate at best in computer use i obviously don't know what the _ell I am doing and I need some 101 instruction. The work tab shows some hours currently but no %progress at this time, although it has in the past. I leave my computer running around the clock and have my settings to allow access after being idle for ten minutes. I have had it set in the past to run all the time but that seemed to make no difference. I have never seen a "ready to report" message. In messages i see alot of pausing and resuming do to my personal use time and currently their is a random recurring message from LHC that says requesting 8640 seconds of work and that the scheduler request succeeded along with the master file, the next message in red says " no work from project" I assume all this is currently default messages as they are not running now anyways. I periodically "update" the three sights to request work but by all the gods i really don't know what I am doing, being an avid believer in the work of all three of these teams and the scientists involved i am just trying to offer a little CPU time for support, further info is appreciated. Thanks Jeff

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His daily quota has been reduced to 99/day. This suggest to me that he has returned one result but it had some kind of error and hence wasn't given any credit.

please see my reply to River.
Thanks Jeff

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I think the BOINC Wiki has the most comprehensive description of Credits aka "Cobblestones" :

http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Computation_of_Credit

thank you for your input.
jeff

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I think the BOINC Wiki has the most comprehensive description of Credits aka "Cobblestones" :

http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Computation_of_Credit

If it doesn't, it is not for the lack of trying ...

Impressive, thank you for your input,
Jeff

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I think the BOINC Wiki has the most comprehensive description of Credits aka "Cobblestones" :

http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Computation_of_Credit

If it doesn't, it is not for the lack of trying ...

Impressive, thank you for your input,
Jeff

I am utilizing the Wiki sight suggested by you and Falcon Fly
thanks P.D.B. see my reply to Rivers message for further whining.

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I think the BOINC Wiki has the most comprehensive description of Credits aka "Cobblestones" :

http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Computation_of_Credit

Thanks Falcon Fly
Jeff

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thanks P.D.B. see my reply to Rivers message for further whining.

You are welcome.

Not sure I saw whining ...

What I would suggest is follow the reading plan suggested in the wiki for new users.

Most importantly, look at the BOINC Application Owner's Manual where the basics of the BOINC Manager are explained. Hopefully in 101 language ... :)

Also, for each new term, read the definition. I know this is a lot of reading. But, seriously, 99.99% of the questions are actually in there.

Also hit the FAQ.

Tell Paul what you don't like ... :)

Home work ... :)

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His daily quota has been reduced to 99/day. This suggest to me that he has returned one result but it had some kind of error and hence wasn't given any credit.

Or simply that he never returned the one WU and it timed out, which would also reduce the quota by 1. But good spot - I hadn't thought to look at the quota!

R~~

hi again Jeff,

One way to get a simple "one glance" look at how you've been doing is to look at your stats on one of the independent stats sites. I use BOINCstats, mainly as it has such a logical name.

If you go to your page on BOINCstats you will see links off to graphical info for each project youve logged credit for. Looks to me as if you are doing OK, but you might like to check that all the work you think youve sent back has been counted. If not, then you can start to figure what went wrong.

Further down is a link to your signature graphic. This url http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_451491.gif will display this:



giving you a quick look at progress so far. Bookmark this url, it is specific yo yourself and it updates a few times a day so check back from time to time.

You will notice that some people like to include them in their postings, but how to do that is another story again.

Credit can take a few days to be awared by the project, and up to another day to reach the stats site (which is independent from BOINC).

RAC is a rough measure of how active you are at present. If your crunchiing is steady it should go up for a few weeks and stabilize with maybe a 10% jitter around a central value. Credit, of course, should go steadily up and never come down.

Rank is how you compare to other participants. In the early days this will change daily, as the vast majority of those who start out never return more than a few WU. You hopped over 7700 other people in Einstein the other day, for example! When you have been crunching for a few months it will change much more slowly.

If anyone else wants a similar display, go to http://www.boincstats.com/, put your username in the search box, and you will be shown a list of users that match - you might find that someone else uszes the same name on another project. Find one of them that is definitely you. Click the icon that looks like a little graph.

Good luck to all new crunchers - as Jeff says it can be hard for a while to figure out if you are doing it right and if you are doing all right.

Merry Christmas!
River~~

... see my reply to Rivers message for further whining.

I didn't take any of your post as whining - if I had I would not have offered more help. Now, whining, well Paul & I could point you to some *real* whining over on Rosetta right now... In welcome contrast you seem eager to learn more and willing to read one set of answers before saying more. For me that is what makes helping feel worthwhile.

Merry Christmas!

(or enjoy the break anyway if it is not your festival)

River~~

I didn't take any of your post as whining - if I had I would not have offered more help. Now, whining, well Paul & I could point you to some *real* whining over on Rosetta right now... In welcome contrast you seem eager to learn more and willing to read one set of answers before saying more. For me that is what makes helping feel worthwhile.

And a couple other places, UCB/BOINC site for another ...

But, yes, you ask good questions. The reason we point to the Wiki is not that we don't want to answer them, it is just that the Wiki has everything that makes sense to know about topices. As people like River~~, Bill Michael, Tony, Ingleside, JM VII, JKeck, and a few others write things that look worthy of inclusion, well, thats where they go for everyone's benefit.

IF IT IS STILL UNCLEAR, ask ...

If you feel embarassed, I answer e-mails in the spirit sent ... ask nice and get nice ...

Otherwise, I look at the NC forums on all the projects in my signature link, post in any of them and I will see it ...

For example, "Paul, in the Wiki, you don't explain ..." we go from there ... it is very possible that it is in there, but, you did not find it yet ...

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Sir Buck, thank you for the time and effort, Wiki has answered many questions as have you and the others, I shall trundle along now and see how it goes, but beware of future questions!

I didn't take any of your post as whining - if I had I would not have offered more help. Now, whining, well Paul & I could point you to some *real* whining over on Rosetta right now... In welcome contrast you seem eager to learn more and willing to read one set of answers before saying more. For me that is what makes helping feel worthwhile.

And a couple other places, UCB/BOINC site for another ...

But, yes, you ask good questions. The reason we point to the Wiki is not that we don't want to answer them, it is just that the Wiki has everything that makes sense to know about topices. As people like River~~, Bill Michael, Tony, Ingleside, JM VII, JKeck, and a few others write things that look worthy of inclusion, well, thats where they go for everyone's benefit.

IF IT IS STILL UNCLEAR, ask ...

If you feel embarassed, I answer e-mails in the spirit sent ... ask nice and get nice ...

Otherwise, I look at the NC forums on all the projects in my signature link, post in any of them and I will see it ...

For example, "Paul, in the Wiki, you don't explain ..." we go from there ... it is very possible that it is in there, but, you did not find it yet ...

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Sir River,
Your time and effort on my behalf is much appreciated, I will attempt to carry on and learn as I go, you, and the others, along with the url suggestions have been a big help. Be fore warned however of future questions. thanks,

hi again Jeff,

One way to get a simple "one glance" look at how you've been doing is to look at your stats on one of the independent stats sites. I use BOINCstats, mainly as it has such a logical name.

If you go to your page on BOINCstats you will see links off to graphical info for each project youve logged credit for. Looks to me as if you are doing OK, but you might like to check that all the work you think youve sent back has been counted. If not, then you can start to figure what went wrong.

Further down is a link to your signature graphic. This url http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_451491.gif will display this:



giving you a quick look at progress so far. Bookmark this url, it is specific yo yourself and it updates a few times a day so check back from time to time.

You will notice that some people like to include them in their postings, but how to do that is another story again.

Credit can take a few days to be awared by the project, and up to another day to reach the stats site (which is independent from BOINC).

RAC is a rough measure of how active you are at present. If your crunchiing is steady it should go up for a few weeks and stabilize with maybe a 10% jitter around a central value. Credit, of course, should go steadily up and never come down.

Rank is how you compare to other participants. In the early days this will change daily, as the vast majority of those who start out never return more than a few WU. You hopped over 7700 other people in Einstein the other day, for example! When you have been crunching for a few months it will change much more slowly.

If anyone else wants a similar display, go to http://www.boincstats.com/, put your username in the search box, and you will be shown a list of users that match - you might find that someone else uszes the same name on another project. Find one of them that is definitely you. Click the icon that looks like a little graph.

Good luck to all new crunchers - as Jeff says it can be hard for a while to figure out if you are doing it right and if you are doing all right.

Merry Christmas!
River~~

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