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Message 8756 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 3:21:35 UTC

BOINC 4.45 asks that BOINC 4.19 be uninstalled.

Does uninstalling BOINC 4.19 clear out the projects folder?

I don't want to lose work in progress and work in queue.

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Message 8758 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 3:49:20 UTC - in response to Message 8756.  

> BOINC 4.45 asks that BOINC 4.19 be uninstalled.
>
> Does uninstalling BOINC 4.19 clear out the projects folder?
>
> I don't want to lose work in progress and work in queue.
>

You can uninstall 4.19 without worrying about your work disappearing.

When you install 4.45 it will pickup where 4.19 left off.

As a precautionary measure you can make a backup copy of your BOINC directory, just copy it somewhere else on your PC. If the install of 4.45 fails, you can just copy your 4.19 install back.
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Message 8759 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 5:21:53 UTC - in response to Message 8758.  

> You can uninstall 4.19 without worrying about your work disappearing.
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> When you install 4.45 it will pickup where 4.19 left off.

Got 4.45 running. No problems.

Thanks.

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Message 8761 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 7:04:46 UTC

I take it back.

BOINC 4.45 will not allow either Internet Explorer or Mozilla
Firebird to work.

I'm back to BOINC 4.19 and a working browser.

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Message 8762 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 7:36:42 UTC - in response to Message 8761.  

> I take it back.
>
> BOINC 4.45 will not allow either Internet Explorer or Mozilla
> Firebird to work.
>
> I'm back to BOINC 4.19 and a working browser.
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Working fine with both (OK, it's Netscape, but...) on my machine.

What's the problem?
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Message 8763 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 8:00:54 UTC - in response to Message 8762.  

> Working fine with both (OK, it's Netscape, but...) on my machine.
>
> What's the problem?

BOINC 4.45 installs with a local host connection.

Zone Alarm shows continuing activity on the DSL line that
appears to block all other programs from accessing the
Internet.

Clicking on the icons for both Mozilla and IE returns
a busy mouse cursor for a few seconds, reverting to the
standard mouse pointer cursor.

OS is Windows 2000, 512 MB of RAM.
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Message 8775 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 16:02:00 UTC - in response to Message 8763.  

> Zone Alarm shows continuing activity on the DSL line that
> appears to block all other programs from accessing the
> Internet.

It's not BOINC's guilt. Zone Alarm is well known for causing problems with many other internet-related programs. I always recommend NOT to use it.
If you are looking for a good and free alternative firewall, you should give Kerio a try: http://www.kerio.com/kpf_home.html
Or try Sygate's personal FW: http://smb.sygate.com/products/spf_standard.htm

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Message 8780 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 22:34:58 UTC - in response to Message 8775.  

> It's not BOINC's guilt. Zone Alarm is well known for causing problems with
> many other internet-related programs. I always recommend NOT to use it.

Zone Alarm shows no continuous activity for BOINC 4.19.

Zone Alarm did show continuous access of the Internet for
BOINC 4.45. Uninstall and reinstall of BOINC 4.45 has the
same pattern of continuous access recurring.

Leaving BOINC 4.45 installed but shut down eliminates the
continuous access symptom. It did not stop the blockage
of Mozilla from loading.

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Message 8781 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 22:49:09 UTC - in response to Message 8780.  
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> Zone Alarm did show continuous access of the Internet for
> BOINC 4.45. Uninstall and reinstall of BOINC 4.45 has the
> same pattern of continuous access recurring.

The newer versions of Zone Alarm take security extremely seriously - version 6 does that even more so. You'll have to specify that boincmgr.exe and boinc.exe have access to the internet (outgoing) and permission to act as a server (incoming). If those two programs aren't explicitly on your programs list and specified to have full incoming and outgoing permission, BOINC 4.45 will not work properly. This doesn't make Zone Alarm a bad program, it just very strict rules and they're justified for doing so these days. Boinc 4.45 works differently than that of 4.19, so the changes to your firewall are necessary.

If you need further help I would be more than happy to install the most recent zone alarm on a virtual pc and step you through it. Let me know.

Good Luck!
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Message 8783 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 23:33:30 UTC - in response to Message 8781.  


> This doesn't make Zone Alarm a bad program, it
> just very strict rules and they're justified for doing so these days.

Believe it, or not, I've seen way more troubles caused by Zone Alarm than by any other software-firewalls I'm aware of.
Some users suddenly got problems many months after installing Zone Alarm. Suddenly the computer started eating up all available CPU power or they experienced random crashs in programs that take exessive usage of the internet, etc...
I'm not saying that Zone Alarm is a bad software at all, but I know from my experience that by avoiding this piece of software one also avoid running into trouble eventually.

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Message 8785 - Posted: 22 Jul 2005, 0:42:51 UTC - in response to Message 8781.  

> If you need further help I would be more than happy to install the most recent
> zone alarm on a virtual pc and step you through it. Let me know.

I am not sure I understand what you are saying here... Are you saying that you could write up how to make these settings? WIth pictures?

This is the kind of thing I die for ... the last time I installed BOINC I wanted to capture the windows firewall complaining... so, of course, it did not complain at all ... :(

Anyway, even if it is sketchy, it would be better than the nothing we have now ...
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Message 8787 - Posted: 22 Jul 2005, 8:32:39 UTC

If we're talking firewalls here, why not install a proper firewalling router? They're not expensive, and there's no need for Zone Alarm, Windows Firewall, or any other nasty piece of software.

USB have a decent one, and for a Rolls Royce solution Cisco do an extremely good SOHO router with VPN, stateful inspection, etc., etc.

...and they work for Windows, Linux, Apple ( and IBM, Sun, Silicon Graphics, iPod, blah, blah, blah...)


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Message 8800 - Posted: 22 Jul 2005, 13:58:37 UTC

And then there are those of us that are paranoid and run both ...
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Message 8803 - Posted: 22 Jul 2005, 14:55:06 UTC - in response to Message 8785.  
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> I am not sure I understand what you are saying here... Are you saying that you
> could write up how to make these settings? WIth pictures?

Yes. Yes. It is going to be a long weekend I have the time. Correspond with me here.
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Message 8811 - Posted: 22 Jul 2005, 16:37:52 UTC - in response to Message 8803.  

> > I am not sure I understand what you are saying here... Are you saying
> that you
> > could write up how to make these settings? WIth pictures?
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> Yes. Yes. It is going to be a long weekend I have the time. Correspond with
> me here.
>
OK, Paul, stop rubbing your hands with glee.


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Message 8815 - Posted: 22 Jul 2005, 19:04:31 UTC
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Can't dance either ... but can I cackle with glee?
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Message 8821 - Posted: 22 Jul 2005, 21:02:17 UTC - in response to Message 8783.  

> Believe it, or not, I've seen way more troubles caused by Zone Alarm than by
> any other software-firewalls I'm aware of.
> Some users suddenly got problems many months after installing Zone Alarm.
> Suddenly the computer started eating up all available CPU power or they
> experienced random crashs in programs that take exessive usage of the
> internet, etc...
> I'm not saying that Zone Alarm is a bad software at all, but I know from my
> experience that by avoiding this piece of software one also avoid running into
> trouble eventually.

Believe it or not, I've been running ZoneAlarm for years with absolutely no issues whatsoever. Also interesting that ZA always rates so high in product comparisons...
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Message 8822 - Posted: 22 Jul 2005, 21:26:51 UTC - in response to Message 8821.  


>
> Believe it or not, I've been running ZoneAlarm for years with absolutely no
> issues whatsoever. Also interesting that ZA always rates so high in product
> comparisons...
>
>

Beat me to it!

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Message 8825 - Posted: 22 Jul 2005, 23:10:51 UTC

Well, I'm not trying to convert any ZA-disciples here. *g* ;)
If ZA runs fine for you, nice, keep it! No need to get cynical here ;)
As I wrote before I'm not saying that ZA is crap, but form my experiences it nearly always turned out that problems like dbernat's one where caused by ZA in some coherence with the related program, even if everything was obviously set up correctly inside of ZA.

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Message 8846 - Posted: 23 Jul 2005, 11:33:13 UTC - in response to Message 8825.  
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> Well, I'm not trying to convert any ZA-disciples here. *g* ;)

No, of course not. Only those that buy into your diatribe. ;)

> If ZA runs fine for you, nice, keep it! No need to get cynical here ;)
> As I wrote before I'm not saying that ZA is crap, but form my experiences it
> nearly always turned out that problems like dbernat's one where caused by ZA
> in some coherence with the related program, even if everything was obviously
> set up correctly inside of ZA.

HeHe... Sounds a lot like you keep saying it's crap. *g* I particularly liked this bit...

"I'm not saying that Zone Alarm is a bad software at all, but I know from my experience that by avoiding this piece of software one also avoid running into trouble eventually."

Not quite sure how the gist of this statement could be misinterpreted...

All I'm saying is that I know from my experience that ZA runs flawlessly. How come if I state my experiences, I'm labeled cynical?
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