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Message 9460 - Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 13:21:08 UTC - in response to Message 9216.  

Server Status

Up, 10874 workunits to crunch
34 concurrent connections

0_o


New work please :-)
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Message 9465 - Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 19:25:15 UTC

Up, 2784 workunits to crunch
38 concurrent connections

HELP
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Message 9467 - Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 21:16:44 UTC

Sadly....

Up, out of work
39 concurrent connections

Hint....Hint....
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Message 9468 - Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 22:57:32 UTC
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Yes, It's sad that LHC is out of work. But this break will give us time to crunch for other projects.
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Message 9470 - Posted: 18 Aug 2005, 23:29:13 UTC
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Some kind of message from LHC, like when they expect to have work for us again, would be nice.
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Message 9471 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 0:05:10 UTC - in response to Message 9470.  

<blockquote>Some kind of message from LHC, like when they expect to have work for us again, would be nice.</blockquote>
They never know. It depends on what the scientists need, and when they need it.


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Message 9472 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 3:48:40 UTC - in response to Message 9470.  

<blockquote>Some kind of message from LHC, like when they expect to have work for us again, would be nice.</blockquote>

Very true, last time I looked there was a lot, than ran out. Please let us know when you have more work.

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Message 9475 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 8:39:48 UTC
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No Work units at this projekt
at 1.00 utc

Have your LHC Server a Problem??

sorry i'm german my english is verry bad

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Message 9476 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 9:23:16 UTC

We have no server or technical problems. But as John so clearly said:

"... It depends on what the scientists need, and when they need it."

I believe the current set of studies is not yet exhausted and more work will be submitted soon.

Thanks to all our crunchers for their enthusiasm!

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Message 9477 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 14:18:49 UTC

Thanks for the information. A couple of small questions:-

1. Would it be possible to put a very small note in the front page news (a day or two before it actually happens) just to say something like, "When the current work runs out that will be all for the moment. We believe there will be more work soon"? That would save a lot of unnecessary speculation and having to hunt through messages looking for possible answers.

2. There are a lot of new users (myself included) who thought that having left the account creation open signified that there might be a more continuous flow of work. You seem now to have more users than you really need if the work keeps running out this quickly. Isn't it better to close off account creation so that the users you have can get a more continuous supply?

3. The feast or famine nature of this project is a little hard to get used to. I know that the scientists need to analyse results returned to put together the next lot of work. I guess I'm just wondering about getting some sort of overlap going so that we can crunch a second lot while they are analysing the first lot?

I'm not complaining, I'm just musing in public :).

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Message 9478 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 14:53:58 UTC

2.
That we have run out of WUs to distribute for the moments is no the same as we have plenty of users, right now we still have 24846 jobs in flight.

3.
The whole point of doing BOINC was that it would now be possible to have projects like LHC@home that does not have a continuous flow of work. At those times boinc will switch to another project and as soon as we have work again it will automatically switch back.

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Message 9479 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 15:33:18 UTC - in response to Message 9478.  

thanks to Ben and Chrulle for this breefing.

It's just the way it runs, I do accept the operating rules.

At least from my side, many "thankyou" for the long long long ongoing
availability of work for weeks if not months.

It's still a pleasure to support LHC and let's wait patiently with pleasure until next work will be distributed again.

It was and it is still a good/great time, to be here.

good luck to the project;-)

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Message 9480 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 16:34:10 UTC - in response to Message 9476.  

<blockquote>....more work will be submitted soon.

Ben Segal / LHC@home</blockquote>

Can you define "soon" ? Are we talking hours, days, or weeks?

If too long, I'll add another project to pick up after my queue runs dry, otherwise if it's only going be a day or so I'll ride it out with my cache.
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Message 9481 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 16:53:07 UTC
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theres not god for this projekt

not a news, not a info for this projekt

i'm crunching no more LHC
Einstein and Predictor this is my projekt for the future


No more LHC, while no infos
that is terrible

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Message 9482 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 16:54:12 UTC - in response to Message 9478.  

<blockquote>
... right now we still have 24846 jobs in flight.

</blockquote>

Wouldn't that fact be largely due to the tendency of some users to set up excessively large caches? I imagine this is counter productive for your requirements where you would like everything back in as soon as possible.

All the "project friendly" crunchers who are trying to give quick turn around are now out of work. Why not send those 24846 jobs to all those who would like work right now. I imagine you could get most of the outstandings crunched and back very quickly. Bugger those who want to sit on the work for as long as possible.

I'm not criticising or trying to be disruptive. I'm happy to support the project and would like to see it get the best outcome possible.

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Message 9484 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 18:16:25 UTC

I agree with Gary on the first point. A small message just to let us know that it is not a technical problem would be nice.
For the rest, I can't see the problem. I think we have to be happy to participate to a real scientific project with of course, work, no work, analysis, work, no work, analysis, ... and you have BOINC which manage that by running other projects when there's no more work (and come back automatically when necessary).
Do you think it's better to run Seti non stop, night and day, to find that stupid little green man and never do something concrete?
I don't think so.

Good job LHC team. A bit more news and it will be perfect.
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Message 9488 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 20:55:47 UTC

though a message about the reason work is out would be nice, the clear statement on the web page that the server is out of work was all i needed to activate another project before my queue emptied. Boinc is more than capable of handling this work/no work thing without any interaction from users.

>> Do you think it's better to run Seti non stop, night and day, to find that >> stupid little green man and never do something concrete?
>> I don't think so.

hey now, that 'stupid little green man' could make projects like LHC@Home irrelevant (just a possiblity, not a statement of truth) with new technologies, and why is SETI not 'concrete'? Einstein@home is similar in scope as SETI, except they look for pulsars instead of 'little green men'. does that make it non-'concrete'?
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Message 9490 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 21:19:52 UTC
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I said Seti because it's not a real scientific subject (for the participants). It's more a religious/philosophical/... subject. It express a prehistoric fear. Are we alone. Yes/no. And why? And what if...? Look at the number of members, it's clear.
But OK I run also Seti (a bit) and I started in '99 with it. But .... ;-)
I mean, it could be maybe better to use the power of the 200,000 users in projects against AIDS or cancer.


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Message 9491 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 21:22:32 UTC - in response to Message 9488.  

>>hey now, that 'stupid little green man' could make projects like LHC@Home >>irrelevant (just a possiblity, not a statement of truth) with new technologies, >>and why is SETI not 'concrete'? Einstein@home is similar in scope as SETI, >>except they look for pulsars instead of 'little green men'. does that make it >>non-'concrete'?</blockquote>


Ok - Einstein is searching for evidence of natural phenomena. These phenomena have already been observed, and Einstein is searching for new properties of them. This will aid our understanding of the universe, and ultimately ourselves. My estimate of success: good.

SETI is searching for extraterrestrial intelligence. We've never seen any sign that there is any. If there is, it's statistically unlikely that it's nearby. We're searching only a narrow part of the spectrum, based on some idea we have that that's a good place to look. Why? And why should another alien race share that opinion? Even if we find a signal, we won't know what it is (it could still be natural, just previously unobserved).

If we find a signal, and it is thought to be intelligent, what then? There is a school of thought that believes we shouldn't do anything for fear of advertising ourselves to some hostile race. Even if we reply, the chances are our answer won't arrive for decades, or maybe centuries. Even when it arrives, will it be understood for what it is?

In short, we're looking for a needle in a field full of haystacks, hampered only by the fact that we don't know what a needle is, nor a haystack, nor where the field is. When we find it we're going to use it to stitch together a signal balloon in the hope that that the aliens will spot it. Not that they, in turn, know what a signal balloon is, or even that they should be looking for it.

My estimate of success? Very very very close to zero.


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Message 9493 - Posted: 19 Aug 2005, 21:44:49 UTC

You're perfectly right. Boinc has the success it has because their conceptors started with a subject that touchs people. If they started with Einstein or Predictor BOINC could be dead for a long time.


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