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Message 7609 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 18:04:42 UTC
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!!!Alert!!!
Server Status

Up, 9978 workunits to crunch
48 concurrent connections

We are going down with new work...
Is the test over or will there be new work soon?

-only some Q.'s-

greetz littleBouncer

[EDIT] WOW, it begins to grow at new... Great...;-)
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[EDIT 2nd]
yes (no more growth); that was only a little 'hickup'...;-(
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Message 7612 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 20:03:03 UTC

current status:
Up, 8614 workunits to crunch
42 concurrent connections

i see no growth at the moment
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Message 7613 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 20:55:12 UTC - in response to Message 7612.  

> current status:
> Up, 8614 workunits to crunch
> 42 concurrent connections
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> i see no growth at the moment
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Update....
Up, 10742 workunits to crunch
49 concurrent connections
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Message 7614 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 21:25:46 UTC

A question if I may:

Since we're all supposedly 'used to' the Scientists @ CERN taking LONG BREAKS between times they give the LHC Admins more work for us, should another outage be considered atypical at this time?

Sure we've had close to 200k work units over the last 7-10 days but has that spoiled all of us in to thinking that the good times will last forever??

Get those Account ID's for other BOINC projects ready, because unless CERN drops another 100k of work on us real soon, they will be needed.

In this one instance I really hope I am wrong....





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Message 7617 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 21:53:02 UTC - in response to Message 7614.  

> Get those Account ID's for other BOINC projects ready, because unless CERN
> drops another 100k of work on us real soon, they will be needed.
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> In this one instance I really hope I am wrong....
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as of today, there's work available..... work queues should be loaded with enough work. I think it's ok if there's another outage. The CERN guys have to wait for the results of the latest WU flood to come back and analyze that. Then they will have more work.

That's what we've been told before. And I'm fine with that. I have some work left! ;-) Besides... The amount of available WU's is growing!!!!!
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Message 7621 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 23:02:48 UTC

Up to 18248...last time I looked (about 45 min ago it was 14,000+) Woohoo.

Is LHC is good!

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Message 7638 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 11:21:27 UTC

We are currently finishing "tail" of current study, that is, resubmitting work until every workunit has been processed.

After that there will be a short break (week or so) and then about one million new workunits (which makes about five million results) will be submitted.

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Message 7639 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 11:41:01 UTC - in response to Message 7638.  

> ...one million new workunits (which makes about five million results) will be submitted.

Wow!!! That sounds great, they should be able to last for some weeks. :-)
How long will the work units be, 100.000 or 1 million turns?
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Message 7641 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 12:17:17 UTC - in response to Message 7639.  

> How long will the work units be, 100.000 or 1 million turns?

AFAIK, 100 000.
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Message 7644 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 12:35:36 UTC
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Did somebody say "one milllllion" units?



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Message 7645 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 12:55:03 UTC - in response to Message 7644.  

> Did somebody say "one milllllion" units? :)
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assumption

One fast today's PC is doing about 50 WUs per day.

not counting the (re-) rescheduled work

1'000'000 : 50 = 20'000 Pentiums/AMDs = 1 day of fuel.

With 5'000 active (fast) hosts, the fuel reaches about 4 days?

The number million sounds great, at least for some more days..

Might with deeper daily quotas it can be prolonged
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Message 7646 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 12:55:15 UTC - in response to Message 7638.  
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> We are currently finishing "tail" of current study, that is, resubmitting work
> until every workunit has been processed.
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> After that there will be a short break (week or so)
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I'm prepared for that time......
> and then about one million
> new workunits (which makes about five million results) will be submitted.
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Thanks for this great announcement.

My instances are ready to crunch a part of them ... ;-)

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Message 7647 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 13:29:21 UTC

My instances are ready to crunch a part of them ... ;-)
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I'll get any you miss LB ... :P
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Message 7650 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 16:42:54 UTC

Now, if we could only get 2 studies going ... :)

Ah, well. I just think this is far more interesting of a study than looking for ET. So much so that my SETI@Home standing number has been dropping steadily ...
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Message 7651 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 16:59:53 UTC - in response to Message 7645.  

> 1'000'000 : 50 = 20'000 Pentiums/AMDs = 1 day of fuel.
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> With 5'000 active (fast) hosts, the fuel reaches about 4 days?
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> The number million sounds great, at least for some more days..

But remember, not all people have their machines running for 24 hours a day. How long did the recent batch of units last? About 2 weeks, I think, so I believe a million units could well last for a month.
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Message 7660 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 23:18:26 UTC

Will new account creation be enabled?

Live long and crunch!

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Message 7663 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 23:35:38 UTC - in response to Message 7660.  

> Will new account creation be enabled?
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> Live long and crunch!


Gas Giant:

Do you think that the project is really ready for this at this moment in time....? If the Beta is almost over, can you imagine what this place will be like with just 5k new members, or 10k or 20k new members???

We barely have enough steady work for the 5104 of us as it is, and the million WU being talked about have been worked out to last about a month or so for just us.

That amount could easily be depleted/sent out in 2 weeks or less if they just added 5,000 more members with fairly fast PC's. Make it 10k new users instead of 5k and a million WU's would only last barely a week (using the example in a prior post as the basis).

Unless CERN has changed their policy for the frequency of new work, I don't see us adding new members soon unless they've got a stash of a Few Million laying about someplace waiting to be crunched.

The only caveat that would make a million WU last longer would be if they were all 1,000,000 turn instead of 100k turn, but I see above that Markku has said that this batch is all 100k as far as he knows.
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Message 7664 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 23:46:03 UTC

>Do you think that the project is really ready for this at this moment in >time....? If the Beta is almost over, can you imagine what this place will be >like with just 5k new members, or 10k or 20k new members???
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>We barely have enough steady work for the 5104 of us as it is, and the >million WU being talked about have been worked out to last about a month or >so for just us.
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>That amount could easily be depleted/sent out in 2 weeks or less if they just >added 5,000 more members with fairly fast PC's. Make it 10k new users instead >of 5k and a million WU's would only last barely a week (using the example in >a prior post as the basis).
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>Unless CERN has changed their policy for the frequency of new work, I don't >see us adding new members soon unless they've got a stash of a Few Million >laying about someplace waiting to be crunched.

Well, IMO (and that is really just my opinion), more allowed user should not be dependent on how long existing users would be kept happy crunching. Does it really matter if we have a 4 week break and then 4 weeks of work or if we have a 7 week break and then one week of work? We were told that this project has not constant flow of fresh wu's. I mean, as long as the sience is done... There are enough projects out there to crunch in the breaks and it get more as time passes on.

Just my opinion


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Message 7665 - Posted: 13 May 2005, 0:32:13 UTC - in response to Message 7664.  
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FZB:

You misunderstood my statement. I was saying that if we barely have enough work to keep the <B><I>current</B></I> users machines crunching and we're exceeding the science goals with only 5104 active users, then what will the influx of 5k 10k or 20k new people do to the existing flow of work from CERN?

Unless CERN has enough consistent work for everybody they allow to crunch, then the science suffers, the users suffer and the project suffers.

So yes, the amount of new users would depend on CERN's ability to get good use out of their ability to crunch, why else allow them in if there's not enough work to go around for them to contribute to the science?

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Message 7666 - Posted: 13 May 2005, 0:41:59 UTC - in response to Message 7665.  


> exceeding the science goals with only 5104 active users,

Looking at the exported user stats, in the last 30 days only 2600 users returned results.

In the last 7 days 2400 and yesterday only 2000.

There are in excess of 5000 host computers.

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