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Message 7604 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 15:24:43 UTC

Has anyone tried running light round and round a circle, fiber-optic for example, while continuing to add light; to see if the optic ever gets 'full'?

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Message 7698 - Posted: 14 May 2005, 21:30:05 UTC

It would melt....you need to define your starting conditions more rigidly.

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Message 7699 - Posted: 14 May 2005, 22:18:32 UTC

can you give me examples?

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Message 7705 - Posted: 15 May 2005, 10:54:50 UTC

Nope...but some light is always absorbed by the cable and transfered to heat (?), put enough down there and........
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Message 7706 - Posted: 15 May 2005, 15:09:18 UTC

Theoretically there is no limit to how many photons you could cram into an ideal ring. This is because light consist of photons. Photons are spin-0 gauge bosons. That is: They are force transfer particles. Particles that have integer spin (0,1,2...) can be put in the same state, and you can therefore put as many in the ring as you want.

Spin-½ particles behave very differently. There you can only have one in the same state. This is why the innermost shell of an atom can only contain two electrons. There is room for one with spin up and one with spin down. But then the next electron we try to put in there would have to have the same state as one of the two that are already there and that is not possible.


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Message 7707 - Posted: 15 May 2005, 16:16:33 UTC - in response to Message 7706.  

Neat
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Message 7710 - Posted: 15 May 2005, 20:02:21 UTC

no problem.
It is good to know that all those hours of studying quantum mechanics payed off. ;-)

btw. generally
the integer spin particles are called bosons and these particles do force transfers:
fx. photon (Electromagnetism) gluon (strong nuclear force)..

Those that have half-integer spin are called fermions and are the particles that make up all the stuff around you.
like electrons, protons, neutrons ..

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