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Message 7579 - Posted: 10 May 2005, 21:37:45 UTC

10/05/2005 23:31:20|LHC@home|Pausing result v64D1D2MQonlyinjnoskew1b5offcomp-13s10_12541.5385_1_sixvf_25836_5 (left in memory)
10/05/2005 23:31:33||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
10/05/2005 23:31:33||schedule_cpus: must schedule

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Message 7580 - Posted: 10 May 2005, 22:19:18 UTC - in response to Message 7579.  
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Short answer, normal behaviour.

écoute mois bien:
But please listen to that I want to say about this and all perhaps following
What is this, or what is that.

The only recommanded Boinc Client Version out right now is still the version 4.19.

Every Version above is alpha, that means perhaps not stable, not out for grands public.

Those Version are still in test phases.

So please
stop to put this kind of Questions, basically non related to the toppics of

Number Crunching

Ici on parle d'autres chauses que du client, on parle des pros de LHC,
des applications de LHC et des aspès techniques

Here we (try) to talk about LHC related stuff, no work, to much work,
no credits, Applications behaviour, not the CLIENT behaviour.

I would like to invite you very friendly to put your question about a non official, not supported client at an other place.

Your DB Country entry is france, take a look to
par example there where the L?A boys and girls are at home.
http://forum.boinc.fr/

There you can talk in french and they would be proud to give you an answer. Perhaps.
With a little liite time effort, you can teach yourself
about boinc CLIENTS and what are their nomar behaviour.

This type of Question is IMMO realy an abuse of this board and the dev stuff time.



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Message 7583 - Posted: 10 May 2005, 23:14:55 UTC
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Ouch:

I have been running 4.32 for several weeks now (required elsewhere) and it is stable and crunching fine. Ric have some heart.

Good luck and happy crunching.

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Message 7584 - Posted: 10 May 2005, 23:43:14 UTC - in response to Message 7580.  
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> The only recommanded Boinc Client Version out right now is still the version
> 4.19.

Ric:

According to UC Berkeley 4.25 is the 'current' recommended version, as 4.19 has slipped to 'older version' status.



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Message 7586 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 0:29:36 UTC - in response to Message 7579.  

> 10/05/2005 23:31:20|LHC@home|Pausing result
> v64D1D2MQonlyinjnoskew1b5offcomp-13s10_12541.5385_1_sixvf_25836_5 (left in
> memory)
> 10/05/2005 23:31:33||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
> 10/05/2005 23:31:33||schedule_cpus: must schedule
>
Yep, it's a bug with 4.38. I had it as well. It has been found and fixed. Please see this thread on the SETI forums

http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=14544

Roll on 4.39. Development versions, gotta love 'em.

Live long and crunch!

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Message 7587 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 0:32:52 UTC - in response to Message 7584.  

Logan

thanks for posting, you are right.

It doesn't change the fact, the 4.3x are still developement versions.

To be "clear", I have nothing against the use of the prereleases,
the half farm is running with 4.35;)

The point is, even the client can crash, I AM fully aware of the risk of using prereleased. I will never post a question related to basic clients behaviour in this forum....
Perhaps I'm wrong or looking the bad way, for me, it's the same if somebody is going into a forum talking about photographie or art pictures and asking what is a color?

(I like prereleases too, the "no more work" or the "alow more work" and the stats part)
..and the core client is responding (over net) very fast versus 4.1x

And the new scheduler policy is acting "better" than previous releases.

-- but it breaks my hearth when a "first posting user" is showing 4 lines
of messages and all of the 4 lines are "ok".

4 lines of messages is immo ways to few to reflect the clients situation, there is nearly no information given.

I can't see something wrong with this messages.

It could be interesting to discuss how deep or which level of "support" can find place here.

I mean, will the forum take time for questions like

what is boinc
what is a benchmark
what is crabblestone
what is s scheduler
what is a forum
what is ...

are we ready for that??

I don't know...

Paul D. Buck is doing a great effort with his probaly best collection of knowledge

http://boinc-doc.net/index.php

everybody should (IMMO) pass some time there and just read what is written there. So much informative.

I guess 95% of the questions are no longer needer to put...


Like a game, first step, (try) to undestand the roles for good play and then, afterwards, start and play the game.

And finaly enjoy the stage!


Good luck and happy crunching...

BTW
What will happen, the day LHC open the door for all?

LHC will be (perhaps) visited by all Schlumpf(smurf) and gremlins of the planet


May I put this:

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Message 7588 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 0:47:39 UTC - in response to Message 7587.  

> I mean, will the forum take time for questions like
>
> what is boinc
> what is a benchmark
> what is crabblestone
> what is s scheduler
> what is a forum
> what is ...
>
> are we ready for that??
> http://boinc-doc.net/index.php

Even I've forgotten about that link and I read these forums daily. Perhaps a good suggestion (and this suggestion would probably be best posted at Berkeley's boinc-dev list) would be to enable "Sticky" posts in message boards - so that way a persistent FAQ could be posted at the top of the message list to help alleviate this problem. I know it gets difficult for us Seasoned BOINC/LHC professionals to have patience with newbies - we were once them.

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Message 7590 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 4:02:39 UTC - in response to Message 7588.  
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@niftypig

change your client!

4.38 looks like a "bad" release.

turned 2 clients over night to 4.38,
uploads working, no download, no reporting (the ready to report are still sitting there), no action behind the "update" knob.

The client is NOT talking to the scheduler (so it looks for me),

11.05.2005 05:50:13|LHC@home|Sending request to scheduler: http://lhcathome-sched1.cern.ch/scheduler/cgi
11.05.2005 05:50:15|LHC@home|Scheduler RPC to http://lhcathome-sched1.cern.ch/scheduler/cgi succeeded

above snippled messages from a 4.35 client


no scheduler "talking" entry in the messages of a 4.38 client..

I guess we will see a 4.39 very sooooon..

Turned both clients back to 4.35 ;-)

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Message 7591 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 4:33:34 UTC - in response to Message 7590.  

> @niftypig
>
> change your client!
>
> 4.38 looks like a "bad" release.
>
> turned 2 clients over night to 4.38,
> uploads working, no download, no reporting (the ready to report are still
> sitting there), no action behind the "update" knob.
>
> The client is NOT talking to the scheduler (so it looks for me),

Yep. 'Update' is borked. No biggie though. I'm sure 4.39 will be out tomorrow. 4.38 was hoped to be the next production release, but the update bug hosed that.

4.38 has apparently fixed a few of the scheduler issues in 4.36 and 4.37. It also fixed a benchmark bug that can error out a WU.

And Ric, you can guarantee that when more users sign on, the forum will be filled with mindless questions. It's the nature of some people. They think reading and researching happens to other people! So instead of trying even the tiniest bit to find an answer on their own, they will post the question, even though a post asking the same thing is two lines below theirs. :)
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Message 7602 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 13:41:31 UTC - in response to Message 7591.  

> And Ric, you can guarantee that when more users sign on, the forum will be
> filled with mindless questions. It's the nature of some people. They think
> reading and researching happens to other people! So instead of trying even the
> tiniest bit to find an answer on their own, they will post the question, even
> though a post asking the same thing is two lines below theirs. :)

You forgot to add "... asking the same thing and was answered is two lines ..."

:)
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Message 7603 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 14:14:56 UTC

just to throw more confusion in here, 4.35 is the minimum for BURP. LOL
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Message 7608 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 17:59:48 UTC
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@ all

Look at this user experience with CC 4.38.
here the 'stderr_txt'


greetz littleBouncer
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Message 7624 - Posted: 11 May 2005, 23:56:50 UTC

>So please stop to put this kind of Questions, basically non related to the toppics of

I didnt know we had new moderator!

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Message 7628 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 4:17:39 UTC - in response to Message 7602.  

> You forgot to add "... asking the same thing and was answered is two
> lines ..."

You're right Paul, I missed that. Nice catch! ;)
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Message 7637 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 11:20:45 UTC
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hey all, I answered a question for NiftyPig over at the seti board and this was part of his/her reply:

it's my son who runs it at 12 yrs old
it started with LHC who told him to grow up and stop bothering people with such problems
over here at seti people seem much more agreable


I informed them that the comments were NOT from LHC admin but regular old users. I'm not sure it LHC will ever see them again. It was their first post to LHC and feel they got jumped on.

Keep crunching

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Message 7648 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 16:32:49 UTC - in response to Message 7628.  

> You're right Paul, I missed that. Nice catch! ;)

:)

It is equally frustrating to know that the answer is written down but you can't seem to be able to get people to read it ...

Though, I guess it is slowly getting better ...
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Message 7655 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 19:04:42 UTC - in response to Message 7648.  
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> It is equally frustrating to know that the answer is written down but you
> can't seem to be able to get people to read it ...

Which is why in This Thread I took a lot of heat for daring to suggest that the pitifully under used HelpDesk is a far more appropiate place to post actual, real 'problem' threads instead of in these forums which are supposed to be for non-problem discussions.

Placing all the similar problem threads together in one place would:

a) Unclutter the non problem forums
b) Keep all the problems located in one central place so that anyone wanting to answer the same questions multiple times will find it easier to do so
c) Make it easier for the Admins to respond if they only had 1 place to look for all the problems


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> Though, I guess it is slowly getting better ...
>

I don't understand why the Forum rules on posting "whatever" "wherever" are so lax, as once this project comes out of beta, the forums will be flooded with wide eyed eager n00bs who will all be asking the same basic questions (wich will have nothing to do with the forums they will be posting them in) over and over again because it's easier to ask for the fast 'n quick answer then to take initiative and RTFM to learn something.














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Message 7657 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 19:35:04 UTC

Logan5,

This is like wishing that you could win the lottery. Reality is that the people that post in the "wrong" place are not going to post in the "right" place, regardless of the rules. Or, for that matter, what you and I might wish.
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Message 7661 - Posted: 12 May 2005, 23:19:26 UTC - in response to Message 7657.  

> Logan5,
>
> This is like wishing that you could win the lottery. Reality is that the
> people that post in the "wrong" place are not going to post in the "right"
> place, regardless of the rules. Or, for that matter, what you and I might
> wish.
>

Then I guess there's going to be a LOT more Go here references then ever before once the project goes live.....

With just a little more effort on the part of "the powers that be" this could almost be completely avoided by simply making the HelpDesk THE single place and point of contact for all things LHC error related.

But you <B><I>are right</B></I> in that the reality, no matter what is done, will likely be far different then the effort made, if any to try and "re-train" the majority of users to be more structured in their posting habits.

I think that the Human affinity for instant gratification is being greatly underestimated in this instance.... :o
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Message 7701 - Posted: 15 May 2005, 9:14:27 UTC

But think about the children. Lame quote maybe, but it's true. As I understand the threadstarter is 12. Do you really believe that every kid in the universe will read the descriptions of the forums and post in the correct one, when even adults skip the easy reading part?

Or do you want an entry to the forums going like: If you are 18 and over click here, if you are under 18 click here?? It then starts to sound like there's Loose Hombres without Clothes in here. ;)

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