LHC@home

I'm not sure how I got this impression. But when LHC went down I was under the impression it would last over the ONE weekend and possibly into the next week. I haven't really been paying to much attention to the day to day events at LHC or the LHC boards. Wasn't that around the first week of March?

It's still down so something much more serious must be going on. If so, where's the news to keep us informed? Are they trying to fix the Zero credit WUs? What else are they trying to fix? Where's the news? This reminds me of when they were going to start up "Shortly" and it ended up being months. Months without news.

Am I starting to see a pattern? A pattern where we're being taken for granted.

I'd like to think I'm a patient man, a reasonable man, a man of reflection. I'd still like some news, some predictions, some kinda update.

tony

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The New Online Helpsytem help is just a call away.

Huummmmm....Errrrrrr....Theres no WU's... ;)

I think they're looking into the 0 credit problems. I read somewhere that they found the problem being related to the API calls they were calling within the application.

As far as being taken for granted, isn't that a given for anything you volunteer for? You're offering what you've got for free, they're going to take it. :)

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hey i look at it this way. trhey tell you that they will be down for a weekend its actually a month. a week is two months, a month is a season, and in the case of planet quest saying a year well hopefully i haveng graduated from highschool by then.

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Well... mmciastro said: I'd like to think I'm a patient man, a reasonable man, a man of reflection. I'd still like some news, some predictions, some kinda update.

Well, I am also patient, I do give my time for free without asking, it is true that if I do not like it I can always quit, but I refuse to think that these other people (for whom we are putting our efforts) can not be a little more polite and once in a while give us a short explanation of what is going on.

Do you want us to stay out for a couple of weeks?? Say so!!
You are experiencing trouble and feel we will not understand?? Try us!!
You might be surprissed!!

We are your friends, we do want to help, in our own way. How about you?

Sincerely and respectfully

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Here we go again - more people banging on about lack of news, being taken for granted, blah, blah, blah.

Yes, some regular updates would be nice, but only if there's something new to say. If not, there are plenty of other things to do.

At present my computers are working nineteen to the dozen looking for gravity waves, predicting climate change, predicting protein structures, simulating population migration in Africa in early human history and looking for aliens. I wish I could find some time to bang a few protons together right now!

Happy crunching!


Mike W

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I can only base my opinion of this topic on the evidence of my eyes, and ears after reading many posts here by the admins and users alike. I think that the LHC Project Admins (NOT the forum admins unless they're one in the same) could be a bit more curteous and give regular updates, even if nothing significant has happened sice the last update.

A simple "Nothing new to report" or "We are still working on xy&z" will go a long way toward maintaining a TRUE sense of community within the LHC project, because by including the users and keeping them "in the loop" with <B>regular</B> updates, news of interest and whatnot, they will feel like they actually have some worth or tangible value to the science. I think that currently, the project is lacking "community" in the sense of felowship and mutual respect between the users and the Project Admins that it is implemented in the S@H project (to use a good example).

I get the distinct feeling that many users here feel 'slighted' or 'disrespected' in some way by the lack of regular updates and feel like maybe their contributions ultimately mean nothing to the LHC Admins or something I really don't know.

This is only my opinion but when you tell someone that "more work is coming soon" or "open sign ups will be happening soon"..etc..etc.. you really should keep the users <B>regularly updated</B> instead of "soon" really meaning "when we feel like getting around to telling you". How long were the T-Shirt Contest Winners supposed to wait to hear something about who won the contest until they forced the issue to get it resolved? That's a perfect example of the point I am trying to make.

Before the LHC defenders come out to attack me, I DO KNOW that this project is in it's infancy and experiencing great growing pains as they learn to cope and adapt to a new way of running their scientific models, but that's still no excuse (IMHO) for the rampant <B><I>lack of consistant communication from the scientists to the users</B></I>.

S@H, E@H, CPDN, on and on and on are ALL worthy projects to participate in when LHC is dry. Astropulse when it goes beta soon will also be a strong contender for spare cycles, so yes, there's plenty of work available if one simply looks for it.




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I am still somewhat of an "LHC or nothing" cruncher, but I've grown to accept that with LHC "It is what it is" which is small amounts of work released to the users for a few days (rarely more then a week) followed by a LARGE amount of mostly unexplained downtime over several weeks/months. This doesn't mean that I like the way things are, but I HAVE accepted it as part of the way that the LHC project currently does business. If I want to continue to participate, I will do so by their rules, no matter how much I may disagree with some of them.

LHC is LHC and all the posting on the lack of work/lack of communication will make people feel better in the short term, but ultimately get everyone what it already has which is............nothing.

I will wait as long as it takes them. I want to know if the 10mb ATI driver update fixes the graphics problems I was having with LHC.

> Here we go again - more people banging on about lack of news, being taken for
> granted, blah, blah, blah.
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Yep, I'm complaining, but not without some reason.

I love what you said Logan5.

Let's take a ride on the Way Back machine.
March 10 2005 (Thursday). I sign on to report and get more work (yep, dial up user here). I can't get more work. HMMM I think to myself. I look at the front page for news and there it is "9.3.2005 16:30 UTC
Bug fixing and testing will continue until next week.
In the mean time there will be very little work available. " Hmmm, It's Thursday and there won't be any work till next week. OK so I don't have to click on the "Update" button for LHC till next week. That'll save me some seconds. I think "Thanks for the news".

This is where things go black on the news front. The whole next week go by with no work and no news. Then on Tuesday the week after I see the news:22.3.2005 09:45 UTC
More time will be required to improve the code and to fix the bugs. For the time being, there will be very little work available. At the same time, physicists are analyzing the earlier results. "
OK now it's the end of the month where's the news?

I'd have prefered the following:
3/8/05 we'll be taking the project down for what we hope won't be longer than a week to try to fix the zero credit bug.

3/14/05 this nasty bug is proving harder to find than we thought. We have Jim and Barb working on it. But since it'll be down atleast 7 days, we're going to have the physicists examine the data as we'll.

3/21/05 we're having to call in the big guns on the bugs and it'll be another week. thanks for your patience.

3/28/05 We're almost there. Barb and Jim shot eachother over a disagreement about the new horizontal lefthanded Huffzininger they were installing. Thanks for your patience.

Something like this would sooth my soul.

tony

Google News lists the following

"CERN Programme for Physics High School Teachers"
http://www.digitaldivide.net/news/view.php?HeadlineID=544

CERN readies largest computing grid.
http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/gridcomputing/story/0,10801,100543,00.html
This is the result computing grid, and it's currently at 5% of the projected capacity they think they will need. (this isnt the Boinc Project)

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I'm not the LHC Alex. Just a number cruncher like everyone else here.

> simulating population migration in Africa in early human history

Never heard of this one... What is it?

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Closed alpha project. Sorry - can't give more details.

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http://www.littlevale.co.uk

> Google News lists the following
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> "CERN Programme for Physics High School Teachers"
> http://www.digitaldivide.net/news/view.php?HeadlineID=544
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> CERN readies largest computing grid.
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> http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/gridcomputing/story/0,10801,100543,00.html
> This is the result computing grid, and it's currently at 5% of the projected
> capacity they think they will need. (this isnt the Boinc Project)
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Maybe we get some news and new work from there!!!
(-sarcastical-)

@ Logan 5
You speak out what I tried to express a long time ago!
Well written!!

greetz littleBouncer

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Up, 1574 workunits to crunch

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Best greetings from Belgium
Thierry

1023 units to crunch - they're going fast.

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Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.

Now shows out of work!

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Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.

I just received two units - brand new!!

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I got 5 ... what is really interesting me is that I got one for the Mac G5 ... what is REAL odd about that is that I did not have the Mac attached at this time to the project. So, I am REAL puzzled with this one ... I re-attached and now will see if this is real, or an error in BOINC View ... or BOINC ...

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The recent work units have been submitted for testing the numerical differencies from different platforms (hopefully there are none left) and zero credit problem.

The LHC@home project has recently lacked manpower. A new person will start working for the project in the next few days and we hope to get results much faster. The scientists will have many more jobs to run on LHC@home and we hope that this will happen in a very near future.

Jukka Klem
CERN

Thanks for the update.

It looks like Dr. Anderson has made a change in the area I was concerned with possibly setting the final CPU time to zero ...

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