1) Message boards : Sixtrack Application : please, remove non-optimized application SixTrack for 32 bit systems (Message 42649)
Posted 19 hours ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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(what will the world do without my X86 XP Pro after its 16+ years here and trying to make me update the OS to a X64)
2) Message boards : Theory Application : Tasks run 4 days and finish with error (Message 42598)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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TRUE
I have been running them for over 9 years now and to do the VB/Extension Pack update I just *suspend* my running tasks
and do the VB update and reboot and restart the tasks.

But make sure they are *suspended* by first checking your VB Manager

(and as far as what running tasks are doing you can always check the task logs in the VB Manager)

OH and I never go by "BOINC recommends the older version" since they don't update as often as Oracle VB.......
they tend to update more than Windows 10 does

That is basically still there for new members.
3) Message boards : Theory Application : Tasks run 4 days and finish with error (Message 42591)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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[quote]NG You might want to update your VB version since I think you are still running a 2019 version and Oracle tends to do lots of updates to fix the usual problems. (VirtualBox 5.2.34 (released October 15 2019)


Mine isn't on the newest list ( that I use here) VirtualBox 6.1.6 but it works
And I also have tested lots of them with VirtualBox 6.1.8 and no problems running Theory tasks

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
I even have had good luck with the Sherpa and the many other event generators.


Peter Hucker
I have always used the latest version and never had any problems.


(damn this thread is faster than the server)

Yes Peter I knew you had been up to date and that was for NOGOOD and I figured he would see that I said that to NG and go from there.
4) Message boards : Theory Application : Tasks run 4 days and finish with error (Message 42564)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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NG You might want to update your VB version since I think you are still running a 2019 version and Oracle tends to do lots of updates to fix the usual problems. (VirtualBox 5.2.34 (released October 15 2019)


Mine isn't on the newest list ( that I use here) VirtualBox 6.1.6 but it works
And I also have tested lots of them with VirtualBox 6.1.8 and no problems running Theory tasks

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
I even have had good luck with the Sherpa and the many other event generators.
5) Message boards : Sixtrack Application : Tasks available / tasks not available (Message 42514)
Posted 12 days ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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Santa McIntosh ?


All your computers run Windows. Who is this McIntosh?

Eric McIntosh
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/forum_thread.php?id=4296#30572


Always great talking to Eric and for some reason it gives me 10,000 Sixtracks to run too.

Hope he gets back home soon.
6) Message boards : Theory Application : Very short tasks (Message 42482)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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I put the machine in a separate group and deactivated Theory application for this group.

Indeed the network connection is a weak point of this PC, it seems to be the source of the failures.

Thanks to all for the input :)


You're welcome Christoph

Yes you will find that a slow internet connection can be the biggest problem with VB tasks and that can happen with all different versions of isp especially if they throttle down your speed after you use a certain amount of data according to your contract ( I have used DSL and now Satellite doing this for over 9 years with VB tasks)

In my case it is when they throttle down my speed after my monthly total is used and since I run VB tasks mine is used in the first 6 hours so I just have to watch closely and do *speed tests* and watch my Windows 10 Task Manager to see just how fast I am running before I try to start any........and even when I have full speed (up to 30Mbps) I have to be careful starting lots of these VB tasks and do a few at a time.

Another thing you can watch in that VM Console is have that box up right after you start a new task so you can catch any of the typical FAIL warnings ( there is one you can just ignore)

During page 2 of the VM Console you will see a timer running where it gives you 1min 40 secs to get that part finished before it goes to page 3 and checks the CVMFS (file system) and if it doesn't do that before the 1min 40 secs the next page will be where you see that it failed.

Another problem is these tasks can fail to start and get to runRivet but just keep on running for hours and these will just end up as Invalid/computer error tasks....so when you catch them when they start you can abort them and not waste hours of your time.

Here is a snapshot of that part


I have this goofy *Bonus time* on my isp account between 2am and 8am so I had to get up early just to post this and start up some of the VB tasks I had waiting to run later after 8am and it is now 6:50am PDT where I am.

Good luck
7) Message boards : Theory Application : Very short tasks (Message 42474)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/prefs.php?subset=project
Christoph you can have a certain one of your pc's put in a separate group (work,home,school) and then set it to not get Theory tasks.

As far as your connection if you want to take a quick look you can watch as a new task starts running via your VM Console and you will see it happen in the first 3 minutes of running where it tries to make it to the *runRivet*

It will just end up like this if you have a slow connection.


Instead of what you want like this


VB tasks here usually need a d/l - u/l speed of 1.5Mbps or better or they will fail most of the time.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Keep getting no tasks available errors (Message 42463)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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As I said......I manually tell it to send work AFTER those 6 seconds.....NOT before.
This is only about the new version of Theory here.
AND I never have been set for "Native" since I am 100% Windows so why would I ever have it set that way?
Why you guys seem to act like I don't know what I am doing or am new to this always amazes me.

I just aborted the Theory tasks and switched to only Sixtracks
I would add more but one of you would use your mod power for taking care of that.....but it sure would be nice if you actually had been running these for over 9 years (VB) every day at home with your own pc's instead of running one or two over at -dev and then pretending like you know how it works and then try to tell me I am doing something wrong.....which I have to draw with crayons with a reply every time.
(and I remember everything that ever happened at T4T and neither one was at the Alpha-Atlas site either)
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Keep getting no tasks available errors (Message 42449)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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I am on trying to set all of my Cern work up since my high-speed just started an new month after 1am as usual

WHY do I get this all the time?
5/13/2020 12:59:29 AM | LHC@home | No tasks are available for Theory Simulation
5/13/2020 12:59:29 AM | LHC@home | Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
5/13/2020 12:59:29 AM | LHC@home | Project requested delay of 6 seconds


I keep getting that | Project requested delay of 6 seconds and some at 61 seconds over and over......and of course the server is not out of these tasks.
And it doesn't repeat the request over after that 6 seconds so I do it manually over and over until I just give up...(like right now)....this is something new added and it needs to be removed from Updates requested by User.
10) Message boards : Theory Application : New production / sherpa fixes (Message 42378)
Posted 23 days ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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With the new version I got several Sherpa's and they all were Valids and all the different event generators ran some tasks that actually were around 18hours each instead of lots of the 1 hour ones that make you watch them all the time (well I do that anyway)

But now I have seen some Pythia's that wanted to run 10 days to get that Invalid aka computer error ....so they get Aborted when caught in the act.

I have a Pythia now that is at 75 hours and the log says it is running normal but I don't trust it so later when I check and it is still running it gets Aborted.
(unlike those tasks that start at Failed but keep running anyway) usually Aborted in the first 3 minutes. but I am running the 5.20 Version of Theory but decided to d/l the 300.05 vdi Version here to see how that goes (since my ip is running fast for some strange reason)
11) Message boards : Sixtrack Application : Tasks available / tasks not available (Message 42366)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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Santa McIntosh ?
12) Message boards : Theory Application : New production / sherpa fixes (Message 42365)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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51min average time......will this be the same with the Theory-dev version?

(since I have one running over 12 hours right now)
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Keep getting no tasks available errors (Message 42346)
Posted 28 days ago by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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I just decided to try this here just to see if this works or not (I usually just do testing)

Here is the settings for my Preferences here.


Seconds later I got ATLAS .vdi d/ling and tasks to run



So apparently that is the way to set the Preferences to get the ATLAS tasks here (at least with the OS and Boinc settings I also use 100% CPU and 98% Ram)
14) Message boards : Sixtrack Application : Tasks available / tasks not available (Message 42298)
Posted 26 Apr 2020 by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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Please get 10,000 new Sixtrack and Sixtrack Test tasks and send them all to me........thanks
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Is Theory the only project working now? (Message 42297)
Posted 26 Apr 2020 by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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What does your Event Log on the Boinc Manager say when you try to get Atlas?
(just copy the last few lines)

lol ok I didn't read the last line from Gunde
16) Message boards : Number crunching : VirtualBox 5.2.38 & 6.0.18 (Message 42167)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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I always d/l my new version of Oracle VB here https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads including Extension Pack

NEVER download them here where they add it to the new Boinc version.....always do that separate and then reboot
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/

(that is for new members)
17) Message boards : Number crunching : VirtualBox 5.2.38 & 6.0.18 (Message 42151)
Posted 12 Apr 2020 by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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I have no problem running Theory v5.20 with Version: 6.1.4 (dev)
18) Message boards : News : Theory application reaches 5 TRILLION events !! (Message 42117)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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Yes Toby you and I got that VB running back in 2011 ( on a Windows OS )

I still have that #1 pc running but didn't want to update to X4 so it can't even run Sixtracks here but it still runs Einstein GPU's all day.
One of these days I will finally plug in my X64 disc in that beast and it will even get to use the rest of the Ram that is already plugged in..
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/show_host_detail.php?hostid=10447575

You have a lot more cores running here than over at the original version.
19) Message boards : News : Theory application reaches 5 TRILLION events !! (Message 42104)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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No problem Ben,

And to think I did all that on a PIII 500 single core X86 with less than 1GB of ram on XP Pro

(ok I made that part up)

But then ...... https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/show_host_detail.php?hostid=27872
20) Message boards : Theory Application : Tasks run 4 days and finish with error (Message 41972)
Posted 21 Mar 2020 by Profile MAGIC Quantum Mechanic
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Hello.

This tasks ran 4 days and finished with error:
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/result.php?resultid=263272995
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/result.php?resultid=263269392
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/result.php?resultid=263269875
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/result.php?resultid=263268089

Is it normal or I should stop running Theory for some time?


It is almost always because of the Theory task being a *sherpa* and you can tell right at the start if you got a sherpa by checking the VM Console when it starts running and can then just abort it and try again for a *pythia* task or the different versions of *herwig* Theory tasks.


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