1) Message boards : Number crunching : Hi Enjoying your Program (Message 26297)
Posted 14 Mar 2014 by henry
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Awww, Babykins, I said "I don't do Milkyway or SETI but I'm not into Scientology either." not "I don't do Milkyway or SETI because I'm not into Scientology either."

Smoochie woochies?
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Invalid tasks (Message 26293)
Posted 13 Mar 2014 by henry
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That's good because it's doubtful you have anything useful to add to the conversation anyway.


I found a lot of trolls much more smart than you.

It's good that the MB has an Ignore option.


Really?! Well then answer me this Mr. Smarty Pants... Anyone who falls for my trolling is:

a) much more dumber than dog poop
b) dumber than me
c) about as dumb as dog poop
d) dog poop
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Hi Enjoying your Program (Message 26290)
Posted 13 Mar 2014 by henry
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I meant Kathryn but she's not responding and at my age I guess I can't afford to be too picky. Would a simple civil union at the JP's office be OK or would you want a minister/priest/rabbi/mullah. I don't do Milkyway or SETI but I'm not into Scientology either.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Invalid tasks (Message 26289)
Posted 13 Mar 2014 by henry
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Eric,

Stubborn and tenacious are not far apart, I can relate to both. Glad to hear you at least entertain the possibility of having to fall back to using VMs. That's good enough for me so I'll STFU. Thanks for your timely, detailed responses, they are a refreshing change from your usual and I hope they become the new norm.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Invalid tasks (Message 26288)
Posted 13 Mar 2014 by henry
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Maybe it's time to switch to an open-source compiler.

I'll not participate on henry's flame war.


That's good because it's doubtful you have anything useful to add to the conversation anyway.
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Hi Enjoying your Program (Message 26278)
Posted 12 Mar 2014 by henry
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No!! Pick me instead ;)

Bachelor #2
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Invalid tasks (Message 26277)
Posted 12 Mar 2014 by henry
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I don't understand why you insist so much henry.


I insist so much because at this point in time results from Linux hosts still don't reliably verify against results from Windows hosts and the LHC is scheduled to be back online in the not too distant future. If we're to be prepared for doing the magnet/beam tuning work required for the higher luminosity and new hadrons and if we want to do that work without a whole bunch of tasks failing on verification then something needs to be done soon. Eric's efforts so far have given what appears to be intermittent success therefore I propose that either the project drop support for Linux hosts and go with only Windows hosts or they adopt the VM approach.

BOINC is:
Use the idle time on your computer (Windows, Mac, Linux, or Android) to cure diseases, study global warming, discover pulsars, and do many other types of scientific research. It's safe, secure, and easy

You're basically saying: don't use BOINC, since you don't care about the concept.


Wrong. Not just 90% wrong, completely wrong with bonus points for a total of 110% wrong. I do care about the concept and I am not proposing that anybody abandon BOINC. I am asking Eric/Sixtrack to use the approach T4T uses which is to run its tasks in a VM that is issued as a BOINC task. I am quite certain that the entire infrastructure already exists (or very nearly exists) at CERN to allow Sixtrack tasks to be issued along with T4T tasks using their pilot & copilot mechanism. If that infrastructure does not exist or cannot be adapted to include Sixtrack then whatever is needed can be built by community volunteers if necessary.

It's not impossible (I think seti@home got something like an optimized application not needing boinc or anything else,maybe something like that is what you want, optimized for some sort of virtual computing or something), but then you're asking the wrong way at the wrong place I think.


I am proud to say I have absolutely nothing to do with that useless waste of CPU cycles called SETI and therefore have no idea what they've done but from your description I can assure you that if they have what you say then I don't want it nor do I want Sixtrack to want it.

The way I ask isn't going to change so get used to it. If you think there is a better place to ask then please tell me what and where that place is and I will consider it.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Invalid tasks (Message 26274)
Posted 12 Mar 2014 by henry
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Lots of people call good advice they don't like a flame. Games programmers don't write fortran so they won't be using your libs either and I fail to see how Intel can earn any additional profit by generating different code for different OS. Different code for a competing brand might be profitable for them but not for a different OS.

Thanks Henry; I just said I don't want a flame war.
Games programmers use the elementary functions and my methodology applies to C as well
maybe even C++.
Intel could make more profit or spend less by using the SAME code generator. (In fact they deliberately don't generate their best code for competing brands.)

If a VM helps you then it helps this project. If the issue of floating point error accumulation is due to hardware issues then I guess you have a point but solving that in software is futile.
....but it needs more volunteer resources and I can't change the hardware.


Indeed the hardware is out of your control but it seems to me your libs work for a while then suddenly they don't. So then you tweak and then they work again but eventually they don't work again. The cycle seems to never end. I doubt it's due to a lack of talent on your end. I'm thinking some other thing that is out of your control is changing and breaking your libs. Perhaps a change in the Linux kernel or something?

You're saying using a VM takes more volunteer resources. Please elaborate. Do you mean additional volunteer resources to setup the project server or do you mean the additional overhead required of the host? If that's all that is preventing you from using a VM then perhaps those additional resources can be found somewhere/somehow. What I mean is perhaps someone can find them for you seeing as how you're busy with other stuff.

...and yes I find it hard to take criticism (like most people?) but at least I am listening
and your questions on WHY are rather pertinent. Eric.


Sorry, I don't follow. Questions on why you find it hard to take criticism? No, you probably don't mean that but unfortunately I don't know exactly which "questions on WHY" you refer to so again, please elaborate.
9) Message boards : Cafe LHC : Reached My Limit (Message 26271)
Posted 12 Mar 2014 by henry
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Kathryn,

I see you're running an Intel Celeron 450. I have an Intel quad core Q6700 CPU I don't need that is socket compatible with your Celeron 450. Just pull the 450 out and drop in the Q6600. It has 4 cores and runs 4 projects quite nicely. It's yours for free if you want it along with 4 GB RAM, a bigger heatsink and fan and a bigger power supply if you need it. It draws 105 watts compared to your 450's 35 watts so it would be 3X the cost to operate. You might need a bigger power supply too. If so I can give you one for free.

PM me with shipping address if you want it.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Invalid tasks (Message 26270)
Posted 12 Mar 2014 by henry
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Lots of people call good advice they don't like a flame. Games programmers don't write fortran so they won't be using your libs either and I fail to see how Intel can earn any additional profit by generating different code for different OS. Different code for a competing brand might be profitable for them but not for a different OS.

If a VM helps you then it helps this project. If the issue of floating point error accumulation is due to hardware issues then I guess you have a point but solving that in software is futile.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Invalid tasks (Message 26267)
Posted 12 Mar 2014 by henry
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(By the way I cannot undrestand why Intel has different
Code generation between Linux/Windows.)


Why not? Who in their right mind compares results from Linux with results from Windows to 6 decimal places of precision anyway? Well, OK, BOINCers do but those who find the results differ between OSs just do the smart thing and run the app in a virtual machine.

Your lifelong dream might have had some relevance 20 years ago but nowadays it's about as relevant as building a better steam locomotive... nobody needs one, nobody wants one, nobody will use it in a serious application even if you give them one for free.

Do the sensible thing which is to merge this project with T4T. Let them issue the Linux app to all hosts then find something useful to do with the rest of your life instead of wasting your talent on an anachronism.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26223)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by henry
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The intellectual dictionary.... sorry, I Googled "intellectual dictionary" and got 0 hits. Is that one of your own works and if so why have you not put it online so the rest of us can be as intellectual as you? You can hardly expect us to keep up with your genius if you don't share it with us.

Whatever your intellectual dictionary is or wherever you've hidden it, I feel you are insinuating that Chip and I are not intellectual. If you intend to continue with more flames be advised my flamethrower is powered up and ready. It might not be an intellectual flamethrower but it will toast your butt.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Validation (Message 26216)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by henry
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They've stopped that very wasteful practice. They issue 2 copies of each task and don't issue a 3rd copy unless the first 2 results don't match. They need 2 matching results to verify that they have the correct "answer" for the calculations in the task.


14) Message boards : Number crunching : Runtime and CPUtime unusually long (Message 26210)
Posted 1 Feb 2014 by henry
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14 hours for a 6 banger on my laptop with Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1007U @ 1.50GHz. Piece o' cake!

Please, could I have a 7 banger?
15) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26196)
Posted 24 Jan 2014 by henry
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I believe #26139 was your post, but I see the one other word that was capitalized twice in the post you are referencing. Touche on finding another trivial emphasis that typically doesn't mean shouting even though it is in all caps. Shouting usually involves more words being capitalized in succession but you know that already.


Don't put words in mouth or ideas in my head. A rose by any other name is still a rose and shouting, no matter if it's 1 word or several in succession is still shouting.

Now it appears you're not happy with me being trivial. Good! Because now you know how I feel about you being trivial.

But you are technically correct that italics or underlining would probably have been more appropriate there.

I would like you to quote where I said VB is a stupid idea?


My mistake and I apologize for it. It was Ken Sharp who said it. Due to my inattention to who quoted what I mistakenly attributed it to you.

I also don't see apps being installed by BOINC as you say. What project is installing software? They download files and run them, but I don't see them being installed. This is a huge security concern if they are. Not all programs require installation. Or are you using the term installation very loosely? I'm assuming the latter.


I was using the term loosely, yes. To my way of thinking if it's a binary (executable) and it's on your disk and in a runnable state then it's installed. By "runnable state" I mean the executable flag is set and the file is not corrupt though on Linux systems that definition fails the stringency test. I suppose on Windows systems and to Windows users installed means more like "on your disk and registered in Registry". BOINC doesn't do that with any project apps I know of though it does do so with VB, of course.

Where did I say you couldn't ask questions with implications?


You implied (perhaps "hinted at it" is a better way to put it) in several places. No, I'm not going to quote all the phrases lest others think you and I are Chip 'n Dale.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26182)
Posted 24 Jan 2014 by henry
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I all caps one word not two and yes it was for emphasis. BOINC is actually in all caps as it should be and VB is typically abbreviated that way when in discussions as well. But that is easy to desperately reach for.


BOINC and VB are not the words I was referring to and you know it so stop pretending you didn't yell. Look back to your message #26139 where you posted:

That doesn't change what YOU said and how YOU...


That's 2 words, liar, and you don't need to yell for emphasis. Now are you done with that or do you feel like lieing some more in some futile attempt to get out of the first lie and the denial.

Please stop acting like I'm asking questions and then justifying them by using your questions.


Huh? I didn't say you asked questions as in more than 1 question. I said I asked questions and I also said I thought the fact that you were yelling was proof that you didn't like the obvious answers to my questions. Why are you so easily confused over events that happened so recently and are recorded here for all to see and review? Are you on crack or maybe meth or something? Are you FAS?

I believe the only question I gave was whether your panties were in a bunch.


Right! And now that we know you do the same thing you tell me I cannot do (ask questions with implications aka rhetorical questions) we'll move on the the last point.

The users don't currently have to have VB here and so don't meet your example. In the future that might be the case, but you state not needing to install it because BOINC does it for you. Your words. BOINC can come packaged with it and still asks the user if they want it (I verified the process a littler earlier just to make sure). It does not automatically do this for you. Technicality? Maybe so but less technically inclined people that read your statements can very easily misunderstand.


And so what if they do? What is the worst that could happen if they misunderstand? Their computer isn't going to blow up. Their dog isn't going to die. Their boss isn't going to call them into the office next day and fire them because they misunderstood. Get a grip, man! You're all wound up over nothing.

Logically if they installed BOINC for this project and the project required it, I would agree it is pretty wise to allow it to go ahead and install as well as choosing the BOINC version that comes with it. However, the previous poster had concerns with not wanting additional software. That is the issue. Not the simplicity of the installation.


Anybody who signs up for BOINC and then doesn't want additional software has one too many holes in his head. BOINC is all about projects installing a multitude of software on your disk and running it. What difference does 1 more software make? Say what? He only has a 10 GB disk? No problem, tell me who it is and I'll send him a barely used 320 GB disk I have kicking around looking for something to do. Or just tell him this is major league ball and if he can't keep up with the big dogs then he should go back to the minors.

If it is better over all for the project, I support the idea of VB. That doesn't mean your statements are true and factual.


To anyone but a pedantic ninny they're close enough.

BTW, your original position was that VB is a stupid idea. Now all of a sudden you're all for it if it helps. I'll take that as you saying "Uncle!" and leave you alone now unless you have yet another mole hill you think is a mountain.
17) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26180)
Posted 24 Jan 2014 by henry
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VMs are additional overhead, extra installation and hence extra dependencies, and a bloody stupid idea.



Extra installation by the user is no longer required. The BOINC installer does it for you on Windows.





Simply put, Virtualbox is an additional installation for many. You seem to IMPLY that BOINC does this automatically. This is only true if you downloaded the optional BOINC installer that has VB included.


Well then you admit it's an automatic install. All you have to do is download the right BOINC installer. What is so difficult about that? What would it take for you to quit quibbling over nothing? You need BOINC to read your mind and download itself and install itself? How much hand holding do you need?

So, yes it is still an additional installation for most users. And I even clarified that above. You keep ignoring that part.


I've ignored nothing. You keep ignoring the fact you're breaking a sweat over details so insignificant they don't apply to anyone except blind people who have had their fingers amputated and can't see the screen or operate a mouse. Take a Valium and relax before your brain explodes over nothing. And I bet I'm not the first one in your life to tell you that.

So, fallacy one is that you wont need to install additional software. Fallacy two is that BOINC does it all for you. It doesn't. The user still has the choice even when running the download that has VB included.


So if I you're a user and you want VB so you can run a BOINC project that needs a VM and I tell you it's automatic you're going to come back to me whining like a baby because BOINC didn't download itself and install VB for you. Whatever dude, there is no way to argue with "logic" like that.

Your implications were in the questions and how you presented them. Don't act like you were innocent of that. Attacking posters unnecessarily certainly implied that you had some issues going on. (panties in a bunch is a pretty common term for you behavior.)


If there were implications in my questions then there were implications in yours as well and don't pretend there were not. The only attack that was unnecessary was your pedantic rant over nothing.

Yelling is usually distinguished in text by using all caps. I did no such thing.


Wrong. Your previous post has at least 2 words in all caps and don't pretend you used caps just for emphasis. You can emphasize with italics or bold here or even enclose text in asterisks or underline characters.


I didn't ask any questions that got negative answers. So, there is fallacy number three.


Read it again. I asked the questions that you didn't like the answers to. Because the only answer for why you're making such mountains out of insignificant little mole holes is that you're either nuts or you can't stand to see anything change.

Now if you're done licking the skid marks out of my panties please launder them and put them back on my clothes line where you found them. Did you enjoy these last ones as much as the ones you took last month (I noticed you chewed the crotch right out of those, you bad boy)?
18) Message boards : News : Hiccup, today 23rd January (Message 26179)
Posted 23 Jan 2014 by henry
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Working (hard) on Validation issues. Eric.


If we were running these tasks on a VM the results would all be coming from exactly the same OS and 50% of your validation problems would not exist. That's more overhead? What are all these tasks that won't verify if they aren't overhead gone to waste?? The old adage "native is better" doesn't always apply in the new paradigm.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26159)
Posted 22 Jan 2014 by henry
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DOLT


Ahh, you're a dolt. That's what I figured.
20) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26158)
Posted 22 Jan 2014 by henry
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Yah, my panties are all bunched up in yer mouth.

I don't think I posted any fallacies. Please quote them if you disagree.

I never said people wouldn't have to install something to get VB, I simply said it would be an easy install because BOINC would do it for them and any configuring required after the installation would be handled for them by the VM image issued by the project and automatically downloaded by BOINC. Are those the facts you think are BS?

Nor did I make any implications. I simply asked some questions. Same as you implying I'm angry (panties in a bunch?) when I'm not via your question. The fact you're yelling indicates you're the angry one and I can only assume you're angry because you don't like the answers to the questions I asked.


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