1) Message boards : Number crunching : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12611)
Posted 1 Feb 2006 by Sepionet
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Problem was FSB, 15x133MHz was Precission stable.in stead of 12x166 rock stable.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12563)
Posted 29 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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It looks like a real forum. Wow.

I have deatached L@H, but I have some Idea on FSB could be the problem because I'm using 166MHz (typical barton speed) but MObile Barton its's 133MHz i would try testing precission running Matlab calculations, or any precission test if I found them with three different Pc. And the one that fails probably in precission with stock FSB and FSB@166MHz. It could be the source, The time generator, that adds some kind of imperceptible latency.

i have seen this sffect of FSB when running Memtest with same hardware but with different speeds, probably, there is no problem in Ram but in returned value or result of a long calculation iteration.

I will do a script of milions +1 -1 adds plus precedent result, and double precission, single, float, integer, has to be 0 (that it will not be but I'll discover in what ratio).

If anyone has an AMD-M xp2500+ (Barton 1.45V) running on and Abit NFS v2.0 please could you explain if you have any Invalid result problems?
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12422)
Posted 25 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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All of your qustions are answered in the Wiki ...

I point you there because we have worked on the explanations for over 2 years, so they are pretty complete and as clear as we can make them. Search on "Credit" then follow links around to the other terms you don't know ...


Wiki Wiki. It's ok. Thanks for the link.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12415)
Posted 25 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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I'm only comparing.
I'm not trying inflating my credits, but I only want if there must be a granted/claimed credit I want clear information about it. What are the hypothesis used, criteria of precission, reasons of not going optmized clients.

A distributed computer project must be reliable, fiable and more powerful the more open source it is.

i'm looking for if it's secure and fiable, so I don't understand Claimng and not being sure about what means Granted Credit.

When I first posted this thread people wondered if I was trying to cheat. Curiosity is essence of science.

Have you tried running multiple instances of boincclients, slowering calculations or running in virtual pc emulators? And what about merging computers in only One?

I tried and I have my own conclusions, because I haven't succedeed any attempts. Good news because it indicates a good programing job.

And what about security? You run Boincmgr.exe, It runs boinc.exe and n clients of the n projects you have attached, but with appropiate xml you can run any program. Look for installation of optimized clients on Seti@Home.

Grid will be more revolutionary than Inernet, and projects like this helps Grid will be a reality. I'm interested in how things work.

Physics is what we can say of how things work, and not Why things work the way they do.

Pure curiosity.

Only with curiosity you will try unexplored ways and you will learn a lot of things, perhaps discovered by others.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12408)
Posted 25 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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This processor had valid credit when running @2333MHz, and from setember to january has runned at actual speed 2000MHz 1.45V(becuse is mobile barton on Abit nf7 v2.0.
I have 12 pc running with no invalid workunits some overclocked about 10%.
My Pc with Sempron (palermo core 1600@1800MHz) processor has double the perfomrance than this Athlon @2000MHz and i've seen PCs of other users (sorry i have no link) in same case of mine, with half their credit. Invalid, but why? I dont'know.
computers with incredible high results and valid state are present but in other projects but not in this at the moment. So penalty seems not the reason, but what is if not?

In setiathome there's a Pentium 4 with 32 processors, (32 maximun virtual processors on vmware...ummmmm), take a look on Seti Top Hosts: there is Athlon xp2200+ thousands of granted credit a day but only 7.5credit/h oooohhh!Yeahhh!

or Pentium4 D2.8 with a 64 credit/h, it is double the speed of mine with optmized client, 45min/wu (1h3min/wu mine) but Benchs test thera are 10x Mips Flops and all of them. Rocket Pentium and Linux clients with really good performances.

It smell like cheats.

The very best of very bests is: Authentic Unknown CPU Type. lol

at the moment having changed to boinc client had no effects on correct validation.



6) Message boards : LHC@home Science : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12376)
Posted 24 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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Memtest of Ram didn't detect any errors, probably is boinc client the reason of invalid state i'll try installing Boinc official client.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12367)
Posted 24 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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Already tested, no memory problems, and overclocking is just alittle, AMD xp2500+ 1833@2005MHz rock stable. So it is misterious.
8) Message boards : LHC@home Science : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12366)
Posted 24 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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Perhaps my credit sent are on workunits with errors. I don't think so, but just now i'm doing a memtest because on 2nd Jan i added 1 gig of RAM, and probably that is the answer, because of high precission on Sixtrack aplicattion.

About, the median, it's good and fair, and probably there are no penalties.

Who doesn't believe in median and still believe in cheating please Use Openoffice Calc o M$ Excel, 4 coulumns and hundred of rows( 3 random Claimed Credit,1 with yours C.C do median of 4 and you and you will be convinced, not an apreciable cheat or abuse is possible.

I like very much participate in such a big calculation like this, and the forum repplies are a lot.

Did you know that optimized clients could spend 1/3 times the time (on average) than official x86 compilations.

If software ( free or Gnu soft, also) could all being optimized computers will run like light on vaccum. jajaj lol

Windows 3 times faster on same processor. Pentium 3.8GHz@12GHz with no overclocking, WOW.

And using hardware specific calculations XX times faster, when a Science Accelerator, like 3d Graphics or sound, or Mpeg encoders...
When the physics in one Chip?
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12365)
Posted 24 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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Perhaps my credit sent are on workunits with errors. I don't think so, but just now i'm doing a memtest because on 2nd Jan i added 1 gig of RAM, and probably that is the answer, because of high precission on Sixtrack aplicattion.

About, the median, it's good and fair, and probably there are no penalties.

Who doesn't believe in median and still believe in cheating please Use Openoffice Calc o M$ Excel, 4 coulumns and hundred of rows( 3 random Claimed Credit,1 with yours C.C do median of 4 and you and you will be convinced, not an apreciable cheat or abuse is possible.

I like very much participate in such a big calculation like this, and the forum repplies are a lot.

Did you know that optimized clients could spend 1/3 times the time (on average) than official x86 compilations.

If software ( free or Gnu soft, also) could all being optimized computers will run like light on vaccum. jajaj lol

Windows 3 times faster on same processor. Pentium 3.8GHz@12GHz with no overclocking, WOW.

And using hardware specific calculations XX times faster, when a Science Accelerator, like 3d Graphics or sound, or Mpeg encoders...
When the physics in one Chip?
10) Message boards : Cafe LHC : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12298)
Posted 23 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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Why does it matter. You say your a physicist. Shouldn't you care more about the work being done then the credit you get? Are you using those 12 Pcs just to get credit or help out?

just tu help, i don't matter, and also i don't understad why the credits sistem.

it's like when we do exams. What does it matter, answering correctly the asked questions or had learned to find answers to news and unknown questions?

sorry for my english.

i think distribute computing it's more important, and having tools for doing jobs anybody before did or could imagine.

11) Message boards : Number crunching : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12297)
Posted 23 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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I don't really see the problem. You got the same credit as the other hosts that completed your workunits, that's fair isn't it? Or what am I missing?

i claim double, median is the half of it because my client claims more credits in other projects. but they granted me only the half of the median.

http://lhcathome.cern.ch/results.php?hostid=100692

new results arrived first or second to database and they granted me half the credit.

if we calculate median of the values my result doesn't affect this value.
don't matters if the max or min value are infinity or 0.

now i claim better the credit with truxoft callibrated client

http://boinc.truxoft.com/core-cal.htm
12) Message boards : LHC@home Science : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12296)
Posted 23 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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http://lhcathome.cern.ch/results.php?hostid=100692

new results arrived first or second to database and they granted me half the credit.

if we calculate median of the values my result doesn't affect this value.
don't matters if the max or min value are infinity or 0.

now i claim better the credit with truxoft callibrated client

http://boinc.truxoft.com/core-cal.htm
13) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12278)
Posted 22 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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First of all you are claiming a lot more than you should by using the optimized CC, and some people consider this cheating or borderline cheating...

The credits are awarded after a quorum is met and the high score and low score are removed and the middle score is awarded to everyone, so I see this as fair.....
____________

the only effect because of median is an hipothetical 10% of more credit. it's statistics, so cheating is not possible, using median instead of average.

removing noise and filtering extremal values in data it's did using a local filter that in this case is median filter.

some people didn't know mathematics and thinks things that are opinions but are not true.
jon has 1 chiken
jonas has 10 chiken
jonny has 1 chiken
john has 1 chiken

avg: 4.3 chicken/each => Jonas is cheating
median: 1 chicken each => Jonas claims 10 but median gives the one.

14) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12277)
Posted 22 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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LHC sometimes grants partial credit for late and invalid work. So you got a bonus not a penalty.

thera are no late or invalid i was first sending
15) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12276)
Posted 22 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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First of all you are claiming a lot more than you should by using the optimized CC, and some people consider this cheating or borderline cheating...

The credits are awarded after a quorum is met and the high score and low score are removed and the middle score is awarded to everyone, so I see this as fair.....
____________

the only effect because of median is an hipothetical 10% of more credit. it's statistics, so cheating is not possible, using median instead of average.

removing noise and filtering extremal values in data it's did using a local filter that in this case is median filter.

some people didn't know mathematics and thinks things that are opinions but are not true.
jon has 1 chiken
jonas has 10 chiken
jonny has 1 chiken
john has 1 chiken

avg: 4.3 chicken/each => Jonas is cheating
median: 1 chicken each => Jonas claims 10 but median gives the one.

no problem, no reason for changing clients (theoretically)
16) Questions and Answers : Getting started : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12275)
Posted 22 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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First of all you are claiming a lot more than you should by using the optimized CC, and some people consider this cheating or borderline cheating...

The credits are awarded after a quorum is met and the high score and low score are removed and the middle score is awarded to everyone, so I see this as fair.....
____________

the only effect because of median is an hipothetical 10% of more credit. it's statistics, so cheating is not possible, using median instead of average.

removing noise and filtering extremal values in data it's did using a local filter that in this case is median filter.

some people didn't know mathematics and thinks things that are opinions but are not true.
jon has 1 chiken
jonas has 10 chiken
jonny has 1 chiken
john has 1 chiken

avg: 4.3 chicken/each => Jonas is cheating
median: 1 chicken each => Jonas claims 10 but median gives the one.

17) Questions and Answers : Sixtrack : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12274)
Posted 22 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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First of all you are claiming a lot more than you should by using the optimized CC, and some people consider this cheating or borderline cheating...

The credits are awarded after a quorum is met and the high score and low score are removed and the middle score is awarded to everyone, so I see this as fair.....
____________

the only effect because of median is an hipothetical 10% of more credit. it's statistics, so cheating is not possible, using median instead of average.

removing noise and filtering extremal values in data it's did using a local filter that in this case is median filter.

some people didn't know mathematics and thinks things that are opinions but are not true.
jon has 1 chiken
jonas has 10 chiken
jonny has 1 chiken
john has 1 chiken

avg: 4.3 chicken/each => Jonas is cheating
median: 1 chicken each => Jonas claims 10 but median gives the one.

so i didn't changed my optimized clients and now I'm using the callibrated.
18) Questions and Answers : Windows : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12273)
Posted 22 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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First of all you are claiming a lot more than you should by using the optimized CC, and some people consider this cheating or borderline cheating...

The credits are awarded after a quorum is met and the high score and low score are removed and the middle score is awarded to everyone, so I see this as fair.....
____________

the only effect because of median is an hipothetical 10% of more credit. it's statistics, so cheating is not possible, using median instead of average.

removing noise and filtering extremal values in data it's did using a local filter that in this case is median filter.

some people didn't know mathematics and thinks things that are opinions but are not true.
jon has 1 chiken
jonas has 10 chiken
jonny has 1 chiken
john has 1 chiken

avg: 4.3 chicken/each => Jonas is cheating
median: 1 chicken each => Jonas claims 10 but median gives the one.

19) Message boards : Cafe LHC : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12210)
Posted 21 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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I'm using optimized seti clients and boinc clients so my computers ask more credit than they must to, but what about ignoring my Claimed Credit instead of granting me the half of the median of the C.C.

I'm physicist and I know people working at CERN/ LHC. I'm the first in crunching power in Spain i have 12 PC only crunching workunits, it's a good donation i think, so why the hell they penalize me.

I've corrected this with the fair Truxoft Boinc Callibrated Client.

The only perturbations on global median ara around 10% if I claim double the credit I do, so the correrctive factor is 1/1.10 and it isn't 1/2.

Sorry, but I'm very uppset with this because, i have 2500 C.C. pending that will transform in only 800
G.C. It's not fair
20) Message boards : LHC@home Science : Why my Granted Credit is just the half GC than other who did same work? (Message 12209)
Posted 21 Jan 2006 by Sepionet
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I'm using optimized seti clients and boinc clients so my computers ask more credit than they must to, but what about ignoring my Claimed Credit instead of granting me the half of the median of the C.C.

I'm physicist and I know people working at CERN/ LHC. I'm the first in crunching power in Spain i have 12 PC only crunching workunits, it's a good donation i think, so why the hell they penalize me.

I've corrected this with the fair Truxoft Boinc Callibrated Client.

The only perturbations on global median ara around 10% if I claim double the credit I do, so the correrctive factor is 1/1.10 and it isn't 1/2.

Sorry, but I'm very uppset with this because, i have 2500 C.C. pending that will transform in only 800
G.C. It's not fair


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