LHC@home

As an Italian taxpayer I am contributing to CERN and LHC. When they publish the results of their experiments they do it in a referred journal such as Physical Review, Physics, Il Nuovo Cimento,etc. To publish in such journals you have to pay page charges, which are also paid with my money. But when I, a private citizen, want to read the results of their experiments, already paid with my money, I have to pay a third time for a subscription fee. This is why I am in favor of people, like those at D-Wave, which publish in free journals like the one I\\\'ve made a link to.
Just to quench any joke about Italian taxpayers, as a salaried worker and now a pensioner, when I receive a salary and now a pension, all taxes have already been deducted from my salary/pension. If I have a right to some refunds, such as medical expenses and so on, I must fill a form and ask for them. The refunds used to come years later, now, thanks to computers, they come only months later. Computers can also be useful.
Tullio

No, its not quite true, Dagorath only argues if there is some thing blatantly stupid that even a blind person can see :) the question that should be asked is, why do Alex or Neasan not come up with a plausible counter argument as to why they need an IR of 5 :( Alex and Neasan are the ones in fact prolonging the argument by not doing so. :) if seen in perspective the WU's where the protons crash on start up :) IR of 5 is silly. so why not further process the worth while WU's if required and the duds can be put in the dust bin on a IR of 2? as a start may save a few CPU cycles.
Dagorath keep the tone ;) down but fight you battles ;)
Regards
Masud.

Agreed! Now it's time to battle waste and retarded thinking at LHC where Neasan has sunk his own ship as I suspected he eventually would.

Anybody who is unhappy with my posts is welcome to either ignore me or kiss my ass. The issue, C0M you insufferable twit, is primarily to save CPU cycles and secondarily to save electricity, if you would care to read the thread (though I doubt reading is one of your basic skills.

As for spam, the definition of spam is invariably linked to unsolicited messages. You numbskulls fail to realise ALL the messages here are unsolicited therefore your own drivel is spam too, by your definition. The reason you asses trot out the spam word is that you simply don't like my posts and you don't like them because it means less WUs.

If Dagorath(or anyone for that matter) is unhappy with our IR or any other way that we have decided to do the project you are free to leave and crunch for another project.

Has there ben any success yet in creating and storing antimatter (anti hydrogen) by combining antiprotons and positrons and analyzing a spectra from it?

Girls, girls! Please!

Has everyone quite finished telling the guys actually planning and running this project how to do their jobs?

Let it ride, will you?

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Why waste computing time? If you only need a quorum of 3 why an initial replication of 5???

... if this project continues to waste resources that other (just as deserving projects) could have used to actually accomplish something then I will donate my humble resources to them.

Dagorath said

No, it does NOT give a safety margin. If you think it does then you obviously are not aware of how the quorum works. If the first 3 results match then they declare the canonical result. They do not wait for the 2 remaining results to return to see if they match with the canonical result. So how can you possibly say 5 provides a safety margin? Man, THINK about it.

If this were a perfect world, I could see your argument. But it's not. Sometimes the results don't match what then? What if a host machine crashes and the work is lost? And the one I've experienced a few times, upgrade BOINC and it wipes out the work? (Again, if this were a perfect world, I would ALWAYS back up the BOINC folder before upgrading) Now you have to reissue the missing work, and if I remember correctly, that won't happen until the batch is complete. Now the scientists have to wait, wasting time. Somewhere, someone is going to waste time. I prefer it NOT be the scientists. I'm sure most people wouldn't want to pay the scientists to sit around waiting.

Let’s also not forget that this project has just moved to a new home with new admins. I think I read somewhere that this is not a typical BOINC installation. I'm sure time is needed to figure it out, a few jobs will need to be run to make sure things are running correctly.

I've also added four machines to this project. If you’re still upset about wasting time, feel free to leave the project as you've mentioned. I'll pick up your slack.

You can of course accept whatever you want and what you want according to what you write is just to crunch any numbers pointless or not. Also you're not concerned if all your computer is doing is "BUSY WORK"

That maybe what you want but it's certainly not what I want and if this project continues to waste resources that other (just as deserving projects) could have used to actually accomplish something then I will donate my humble resources to them. Maybe even make a difference.






So you can determen as a partical physysist what they need to do as far as initial replication is concerned???

Good point(s) ... this thread could continue on forever. Everyone has a valid point, but the purpose of all Boinc projects is to accomplish a certain goal. Whether it's for testing something new, fixing existing problems, or for a real-time data crunching like LHC.

We've waited many, many months for work ... so I'm just happy we're crunching again and will contribute what I can. We got what we wanted, so let's just accept the fact that this project has an IR5 with a quorum of 3, done. No other projects would consider changing unless there was a big problem. Nanohive is the only project I know of that did just this. Anyway, my 2.55 cents, but let's be courteous here - all of us are contributing to one of the greatest creations of our time - - the collider!

I am assuming that one day in the not too distant future there will be a steady supply of LHC work or that the runs will become so big (or hosts so few) they won't be gobbled up in a few hours. I assume the short runs we see now are just test runs.

Really ?

You mean, we're NOT helping them work out alignments for all the hardware they are building ? That this is just practice for something else ? What is this 'something else', oh Great One, that you imply ?

Get real. Read about the aims of this project - or don't you consider looking up historical questions & answers important ?

They need the data NOW because they are modifying the collider systems NOW. Not in a few months or years - NOW. They make available bunches of WUs to deal with questions/scenarios that they need data on to make adjustments BEFORE they fire the collider up - I'd much rather they did this than fire it up & it either fails totally, or blows a massive hole in the ground ! If this means they send out 5 WUs instead of 3 or 4 - fine by me. The scientists get their data back quicker, which is what they need. Remember - this project is NOT for us; we just help out here.

Will we get WUs once the project is finished ? I doubt it - why would they need it, once the system is up & running ? Will we get WUs for a different project ? The hints are that we may. Will it be a lot of WUs ? Again, I doubt it.

So - if you don't like the way things are run, why not create your own project ? No-one is forcing you to stay here, after all.

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To save you the hassle of actually looking for information, have a read of this :

In March 2005, huge superconducting dipole magnets began to be installed in the LHC tunnel. Every time a new magnet is installed, measurements are made of its properties. If it deviates significantly from the specified values, SixTrack will be required to study what impact, if any, this difference might have on the operations of the machine. Getting the results as soon as possible makes a big difference for the engineers installing the thousands magnets (1232 dipole magnets alone). A lot of number-crunching will be needed over the coming years to do this critical analysis. So your participation in LHC@home really does help to build the LHC!

Source is within this website, in the About section

and now people are complaining that there are too MANY work units. there is just no pleasing BOINC users.....

Me?
I'm laughing!
It's all you can do :-D

and now people are complaining that there are too MANY work units. there is just no pleasing BOINC users.....

If your host is getting corrupted write here what version of the boinc client you are using, and when you connected last. Are all your hosts getting corrupted?