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Good job on turning a potentially constructive thread into a epic, yet useless flamewar. You both showed great misuse of of the intellectual dictionary :(

Now please stop it, so someone can say something useful here. My head is exploding after 3 pages of banter.

No, I'm not going to quote all the phrases lest others think you and I are Chip 'n Dale.

I all caps one word not two and yes it was for emphasis. BOINC is actually in all caps as it should be and VB is typically abbreviated that way when in discussions as well. But that is easy to desperately reach for.

BOINC and VB are not the words I was referring to and you know it so stop pretending you didn't yell. Look back to your message #26139 where you posted:

That doesn't change what YOU said and how YOU...

That's 2 words, liar, and you don't need to yell for emphasis. Now are you done with that or do you feel like lieing some more in some futile attempt to get out of the first lie and the denial.

Please stop acting like I'm asking questions and then justifying them by using your questions.

Huh? I didn't say you asked questions as in more than 1 question. I said I asked questions and I also said I thought the fact that you were yelling was proof that you didn't like the obvious answers to my questions. Why are you so easily confused over events that happened so recently and are recorded here for all to see and review? Are you on crack or maybe meth or something? Are you FAS?

I believe the only question I gave was whether your panties were in a bunch.

Right! And now that we know you do the same thing you tell me I cannot do (ask questions with implications aka rhetorical questions) we'll move on the the last point.

The users don't currently have to have VB here and so don't meet your example. In the future that might be the case, but you state not needing to install it because BOINC does it for you. Your words. BOINC can come packaged with it and still asks the user if they want it (I verified the process a littler earlier just to make sure). It does not automatically do this for you. Technicality? Maybe so but less technically inclined people that read your statements can very easily misunderstand.

And so what if they do? What is the worst that could happen if they misunderstand? Their computer isn't going to blow up. Their dog isn't going to die. Their boss isn't going to call them into the office next day and fire them because they misunderstood. Get a grip, man! You're all wound up over nothing.

Logically if they installed BOINC for this project and the project required it, I would agree it is pretty wise to allow it to go ahead and install as well as choosing the BOINC version that comes with it. However, the previous poster had concerns with not wanting additional software. That is the issue. Not the simplicity of the installation.

Anybody who signs up for BOINC and then doesn't want additional software has one too many holes in his head. BOINC is all about projects installing a multitude of software on your disk and running it. What difference does 1 more software make? Say what? He only has a 10 GB disk? No problem, tell me who it is and I'll send him a barely used 320 GB disk I have kicking around looking for something to do. Or just tell him this is major league ball and if he can't keep up with the big dogs then he should go back to the minors.

If it is better over all for the project, I support the idea of VB. That doesn't mean your statements are true and factual.

To anyone but a pedantic ninny they're close enough.

BTW, your original position was that VB is a stupid idea. Now all of a sudden you're all for it if it helps. I'll take that as you saying "Uncle!" and leave you alone now unless you have yet another mole hill you think is a mountain.

VMs are additional overhead, extra installation and hence extra dependencies, and a bloody stupid idea.

Extra installation by the user is no longer required. The BOINC installer does it for you on Windows.

Is that a problem? Why? Because some would not update BOINC and get the VM and they'd flounce out in a hissy fit? So what? Who cares if 100 stumblebums quit because they're too stupid to get a VM installed? The fact is there are far more people seeking Sixtrack work than there is Sixtrack work available. The project could shed 200 stumblebums and be no worse off.

Honestly I don't see your point unless your purpose is to take the smallest mole hill and make the biggest possible mountain out of it just to preserve some holy status quo. Face the future... more and more projects are going to start using a VM for obvious reasons (1 app runs on all platforms) so get with it or get left behind.

VMs are additional overhead, extra installation and hence extra dependencies, and a bloody stupid idea. It also requires all current users to reconfigure their systems. They're also not going to work on Android and lower-end ARM devices now are they, troll?

Android devices already connected here waiting for the WUs for testing....

Larger uploads are simply not a problem. If you're going to cry over bandwidth consumption then limit the network rate. The option has been there long enough.

go to transfers & try hitting retry?

From the New York TImes....

The biggest, most expensive physics machine in the world is riddled with thousands of bad electrical connections.

Many of the magnets meant to whiz high-energy subatomic particles around a 17-mile underground racetrack have mysteriously lost their ability to operate at high energies.

Some physicists are deserting the European project, at least temporarily, to work at a smaller, rival machine across the ocean.

After 15 years and $9 billion, and a showy “switch-on” ceremony last September, the Large Hadron Collider, the giant particle accelerator outside Geneva, has to yet collide any particles at all.

But soon?

This week, scientists and engineers at the European Center for Nuclear Research, or CERN, are to announce how and when their machine will start running this winter.

That will be a Champagne moment. But scientists say it could be years, if ever, before the collider runs at full strength, stretching out the time it should take to achieve the collider’s main goals, like producing a particle known as the Higgs boson thought to be responsible for imbuing other elementary particles with mass, or identifying the dark matter that astronomers say makes up 25 percent of the cosmos.

Click here for the rest of the story.

Whel Coleslaw;)
It\\\'s obvius that you have not
read carefuly enogh.
The data from the colider will
be handel by the \\\'Grid\\\' and not
BOINC so the question is valid.