1) Message boards : News : Heavy I/O on Windows WUs (Message 26987)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Profile Coleslaw
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I have had to cut back my recent contributions too. I have had a few systems that had noticeable slow downs and delays do to the IO's. So, for the systems that get used for functions other than DC, this project is being set to NNW. Will check in periodically for status updates.
2) Message boards : Cafe LHC : DC-Vault Ongoing Challenge for Multiple Projects (Message 26596)
Posted 22 Jun 2014 by Profile Coleslaw
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DC-Vault

The Vault Admins have posted a list of projects to be added to, and removed from the Vault. Now is your chance to have your say on what is being proposed. Here are a couple of links to the public discussion about what the Admins have come up with.

Additions

Removals
3) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26221)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile Coleslaw
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Good job on turning a potentially constructive thread into a epic, yet useless flamewar. You both showed great misuse of of the intellectual dictionary :(

Now please stop it, so someone can say something useful here. My head is exploding after 3 pages of banter.


I believe we did ... a month ago.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26201)
Posted 27 Jan 2014 by Profile Coleslaw
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No, I'm not going to quote all the phrases lest others think you and I are Chip 'n Dale.


What's wrong with Chip 'n Dale? ;)
5) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26190)
Posted 24 Jan 2014 by Profile Coleslaw
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I all caps one word not two and yes it was for emphasis. BOINC is actually in all caps as it should be and VB is typically abbreviated that way when in discussions as well. But that is easy to desperately reach for.


BOINC and VB are not the words I was referring to and you know it so stop pretending you didn't yell. Look back to your message #26139 where you posted:

That doesn't change what YOU said and how YOU...


That's 2 words, liar, and you don't need to yell for emphasis. Now are you done with that or do you feel like lieing some more in some futile attempt to get out of the first lie and the denial.

Please stop acting like I'm asking questions and then justifying them by using your questions.


Huh? I didn't say you asked questions as in more than 1 question. I said I asked questions and I also said I thought the fact that you were yelling was proof that you didn't like the obvious answers to my questions. Why are you so easily confused over events that happened so recently and are recorded here for all to see and review? Are you on crack or maybe meth or something? Are you FAS?

I believe the only question I gave was whether your panties were in a bunch.


Right! And now that we know you do the same thing you tell me I cannot do (ask questions with implications aka rhetorical questions) we'll move on the the last point.

The users don't currently have to have VB here and so don't meet your example. In the future that might be the case, but you state not needing to install it because BOINC does it for you. Your words. BOINC can come packaged with it and still asks the user if they want it (I verified the process a littler earlier just to make sure). It does not automatically do this for you. Technicality? Maybe so but less technically inclined people that read your statements can very easily misunderstand.


And so what if they do? What is the worst that could happen if they misunderstand? Their computer isn't going to blow up. Their dog isn't going to die. Their boss isn't going to call them into the office next day and fire them because they misunderstood. Get a grip, man! You're all wound up over nothing.

Logically if they installed BOINC for this project and the project required it, I would agree it is pretty wise to allow it to go ahead and install as well as choosing the BOINC version that comes with it. However, the previous poster had concerns with not wanting additional software. That is the issue. Not the simplicity of the installation.


Anybody who signs up for BOINC and then doesn't want additional software has one too many holes in his head. BOINC is all about projects installing a multitude of software on your disk and running it. What difference does 1 more software make? Say what? He only has a 10 GB disk? No problem, tell me who it is and I'll send him a barely used 320 GB disk I have kicking around looking for something to do. Or just tell him this is major league ball and if he can't keep up with the big dogs then he should go back to the minors.

If it is better over all for the project, I support the idea of VB. That doesn't mean your statements are true and factual.


To anyone but a pedantic ninny they're close enough.

BTW, your original position was that VB is a stupid idea. Now all of a sudden you're all for it if it helps. I'll take that as you saying "Uncle!" and leave you alone now unless you have yet another mole hill you think is a mountain.


I believe #26139 was your post, but I see the one other word that was capitalized twice in the post you are referencing. Touche on finding another trivial emphasis that typically doesn't mean shouting even though it is in all caps. Shouting usually involves more words being capitalized in succession but you know that already. But you are technically correct that italics or underlining would probably have been more appropriate there.

I would like you to quote where I said VB is a stupid idea? I have a preference but I don't recall ever stating it as a stupid idea. I don't even see where it was implied by one of my statements.
Edit: I also don't see where I made any opinion on whether it should or should not be used prior to post 26181. Even that post didn't address my feelings on whether it should or shouldn't but rather that I would use it. Even post 26257 didn't address my feelings on the project using it. I even stated that I was prepared if it did.


I also don't see apps being installed by BOINC as you say. What project is installing software? They download files and run them, but I don't see them being installed. This is a huge security concern if they are. Not all programs require installation. Or are you using the term installation very loosely? I'm assuming the latter.


Where did I say you couldn't ask questions with implications? I may have stated that you were doing it. But I don't recall saying you couldn't. However, if there was a question or statement with implications and I replied stating that there was no such thing stated, that is not saying you can't ask those questions. It is also the same if I just point out that you are doing it. That is just clarification. I never said that I wouldn't ever imply anything in one of my comments.
6) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26181)
Posted 24 Jan 2014 by Profile Coleslaw
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I all caps one word not two and yes it was for emphasis. BOINC is actually in all caps as it should be and VB is typically abbreviated that way when in discussions as well. But that is easy to desperately reach for.

Please stop acting like I'm asking questions and then justifying them by using your questions. I believe the only question I gave was whether your panties were in a bunch.

The users don't currently have to have VB here and so don't meet your example. In the future that might be the case, but you state not needing to install it because BOINC does it for you. Your words. BOINC can come packaged with it and still asks the user if they want it (I verified the process a littler earlier just to make sure). It does not automatically do this for you. Technicality? Maybe so but less technically inclined people that read your statements can very easily misunderstand. Logically if they installed BOINC for this project and the project required it, I would agree it is pretty wise to allow it to go ahead and install as well as choosing the BOINC version that comes with it. However, the previous poster had concerns with not wanting additional software. That is the issue. Not the simplicity of the installation. If it is better over all for the project, I support the idea of VB. That doesn't mean your statements are true and factual.

So for those that have read through the banter, keep in mind that BOINC does not automatically install other programs at this time. And as far as I know there are only 3 projects (not this one) that utilize it in their apps. Perhaps in the future.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26178)
Posted 23 Jan 2014 by Profile Coleslaw
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VMs are additional overhead, extra installation and hence extra dependencies, and a bloody stupid idea.



Extra installation by the user is no longer required. The BOINC installer does it for you on Windows.





Simply put, Virtualbox is an additional installation for many. You seem to IMPLY that BOINC does this automatically. This is only true if you downloaded the optional BOINC installer that has VB included. So, yes it is still an additional installation for most users. And I even clarified that above. You keep ignoring that part.

So, fallacy one is that you wont need to install additional software. Fallacy two is that BOINC does it all for you. It doesn't. The user still has the choice even when running the download that has VB included.

Your implications were in the questions and how you presented them. Don't act like you were innocent of that. Attacking posters unnecessarily certainly implied that you had some issues going on. (panties in a bunch is a pretty common term for you behavior.)

Yelling is usually distinguished in text by using all caps. I did no such thing. Since some people forget that, I wont label it a fallacy.

I didn't ask any questions that got negative answers. So, there is fallacy number three.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26157)
Posted 22 Jan 2014 by Profile Coleslaw
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Is that a problem? Why? Because some would not update BOINC and get the VM and they'd flounce out in a hissy fit? So what? Who cares if 100 stumblebums quit because they're too stupid to get a VM installed? The fact is there are far more people seeking Sixtrack work than there is Sixtrack work available. The project could shed 200 stumblebums and be no worse off.

Honestly I don't see your point unless your purpose is to take the smallest mole hill and make the biggest possible mountain out of it just to preserve some holy status quo. Face the future... more and more projects are going to start using a VM for obvious reasons (1 app runs on all platforms) so get with it or get left behind.


Panties in a bunch today? You make a lot of implications that weren't brought up by myself. Nor do your rude comments change the facts presented above. If you don't like people pointing out your fallacies, then don't post. I for one don't care if they want to run VB or not. I have it installed and will be ready if it is used here. That doesn't change what YOU said and how YOU were incorrect about requiring people to install extras. Virtualbox is an extra. So, please don't respond with more BS.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26134)
Posted 21 Jan 2014 by Profile Coleslaw
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henry, maybe you misunderstood me or maybe I was misunderstanding you. I was merely pointing out that many contributors don't have VB installed at all. Thus, they would NEED to download and install it. Not everyone updates clients unless there is a need. Those who download a client has the choice to download the version that comes with VB now and so would be less of an issue for those who choose it. That was basically my point. As far as add-ons like the extensions you mentioned, that is something entirely different.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26126)
Posted 16 Jan 2014 by Profile Coleslaw
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VMs are additional overhead, extra installation and hence extra dependencies, and a bloody stupid idea. It also requires all current users to reconfigure their systems. They're also not going to work on Android and lower-end ARM devices now are they, troll?

Android devices already connected here waiting for the WUs for testing....

Larger uploads are simply not a problem. If you're going to cry over bandwidth consumption then limit the network rate. The option has been there long enough.

Ken, perhaps you missed my statement that data usage could be managed on the users side... However, what you don't address is for the large contributors whom have multiple devices on a network. Large uploads absolutely are a concern and DO affect the network more than the small uploads do. (from a users stand point)Also, limiting bandwidth consumption means you may not be able to report the finished work unit or download new work if they are large even when there is some data usage left. Small work units are more likely to get reported or downloaded in these cases.

henry in regards to the statement that users no longer have to install any extras isn't entirely true. You are assuming they downloaded the option that came with VB. Most contributors already have BOINC installed and don't use VB. This would absolutely be an additional download for many. I will agree that Berkeley's install package with VB is pretty simple and kinda nice for those not looking for advanced options though.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : News, Status and Plans, 19th November, 2013 (Message 26090)
Posted 30 Nov 2013 by Profile Coleslaw
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My vote is to keep the work units small. Big work units can cause worse network congestion where multiple hosts reside. Small files have less of an impact on users networks even if multiple files need to be returned. Large file may help with designing GPU work, but comes with other consequences. If you are looking to go ARM processing, many people are on tiered data limits. Even my cable internet provider has switched to tiered data. Since many ARM devices have a data limit option, this can be managed on the users side. However, it is a growing concern. Now if the option was there to select whether to run long or short work units like some projects offer, then that would probably be the best solution.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Uploads failing: Server out of disk space (Message 25675)
Posted 24 Jul 2013 by Profile Coleslaw
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I have another stuck upload. http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/workunit.php?wuid=8234357 It gets to 93.96% every time.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Uploads failing: Server out of disk space (Message 25639)
Posted 10 Jun 2013 by Profile Coleslaw
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go to transfers & try hitting retry?


Gee...thanks...


Still trying to upload. I have seen it get to various upload sizes. I will more then likely abort it since it is way past due now. I have completed and uploaded 7 other work units since this one. If I get any other problem work units, I will let you know.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Uploads failing: Server out of disk space (Message 25635)
Posted 7 Jun 2013 by Profile Coleslaw
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I still have one that hasn't finished uploading and it was due on the 3rd.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Status and Plans 25th May, 2013. (Message 25634)
Posted 3 Jun 2013 by Profile Coleslaw
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Raspberry Pi is ARM. There is a version of Linux designed for these neat little boards called Raspian. Some of the newer generations of Rasp. Pi also can run Android. However, compiling apps for them need to be done for each OS in order to take full advantage. My cell phone wont work if you compiled the ARM app for Linux. Vice versa for R Pi (linux version). I'm guessing the Android market is larger on a global scale, but couldn't tell you how R Pi stands up to Android devices in the BOINC world. There aren't any real stats for R Pi to go off of.

OT, I did just read that Android now dominates over 50% of the Chinese smart phone market.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Status and Plans 25th May, 2013. (Message 25627)
Posted 31 May 2013 by Profile Coleslaw
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As far as ARM goes, nativeBOINC (which is Android only right now)currently has apps available at Albert, Asteroids, Enigma, Milkyway, OProject (this one is on hold), Primegrid, SETI, SubsetSum, WUProp, YoYo, and theSkyNet POGS. If you look at the stats page on www.nativeboinc.org, you will also see the various devices being added. This does not include all of the Raspberry Pi boards (the non-Android ones that some of the projects also support) or ARM devices using Windows 8 (which I haven't seen any BOINC capable apps for yet).
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Status and Plans 25th May, 2013. (Message 25621)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Profile Coleslaw
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And don't forget that Intel is finally getting their butts in the game. A few projects now have apps for those GPU's as well.

I would recommend going with the ARM devices first. There is a growing user base there and only a hand full of projects that are options. Yes, they are slower then modern PC's. However, they are advancing quickly and the power consumption is much lower. Given time, these could be a very valuable resource. I'm up to 3 older phones doing nothing but running nativeBOINC now and my current somewhat modern phone running it part time while on the charger. Tablets and Raspberry Pi boards are also joining in the dance. You could even contact the developer. www.nativeboinc.org He has offered assistance to many projects already.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Status and Plans 25th May, 2013. (Message 25610)
Posted 28 May 2013 by Profile Coleslaw
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Why do you need yet another project for BETA? Just have seperate BETA work units that people can opt into. Many projects have that option. Just make sure to have it turned off by default so people have to elect to participate.
19) Message boards : Cafe LHC : Giant Particle Collider (LHC) Fizzles (Message 21453)
Posted 5 Aug 2009 by Profile Coleslaw
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From the New York TImes....

The biggest, most expensive physics machine in the world is riddled with thousands of bad electrical connections.

Many of the magnets meant to whiz high-energy subatomic particles around a 17-mile underground racetrack have mysteriously lost their ability to operate at high energies.

Some physicists are deserting the European project, at least temporarily, to work at a smaller, rival machine across the ocean.

After 15 years and $9 billion, and a showy “switch-on” ceremony last September, the Large Hadron Collider, the giant particle accelerator outside Geneva, has to yet collide any particles at all.

But soon?

This week, scientists and engineers at the European Center for Nuclear Research, or CERN, are to announce how and when their machine will start running this winter.

That will be a Champagne moment. But scientists say it could be years, if ever, before the collider runs at full strength, stretching out the time it should take to achieve the collider’s main goals, like producing a particle known as the Higgs boson thought to be responsible for imbuing other elementary particles with mass, or identifying the dark matter that astronomers say makes up 25 percent of the cosmos.

Click here for the rest of the story.



There is also a story at news.com

http://news.cnet.com/Giant-particle-collider-struggles/2100-1008_3-6249951.html
20) Message boards : Cafe LHC : Lack of Work units (Message 21440)
Posted 26 Jul 2009 by Profile Coleslaw
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Whel Coleslaw;)
It\\\'s obvius that you have not
read carefuly enogh.
The data from the colider will
be handel by the \\\'Grid\\\' and not
BOINC so the question is valid.


Isn\'t the LHC@home pretty much doing what the Tier 2 section of the \"Grid\" is for? If not, maybe Tier 1 depending on design. So, why wouldn\'t LCH@home not be considered there? Maybe I don\'t know enough of the details behind LHC@home and the \"Grid\", but it sounds to me like it is just a trickle down effect and once data starts flowing, it would only be a matter of time. Just a thought and a positive spin. I\'m not going to assume its over til the Admins announce it so or the servers are permanently brought down.

helpful link: http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Computing-en.html

"These so-called “Tier-1” centres make the data available to over 120 “Tier-2” centres for specific analysis tasks. Individual scientists can then access the LHC data from their home country, using local computer clusters or even individual PCs."


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