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Message 48142 - Posted: 29 May 2023, 12:21:15 UTC - in response to Message 48138.  

...and I've just been caught out by a holiday weekend...
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Message 48143 - Posted: 29 May 2023, 12:43:58 UTC - in response to Message 48142.  

...and I've just been caught out by a holiday weekend...
Those things are a pest, there should never be anything closed. Give us all 3 or 4 day weeks, everything is open all the time, and we get more relaxation time. There's really no need for people to slave away 40 hours a week in this century.
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Message 48144 - Posted: 29 May 2023, 18:27:25 UTC - in response to Message 48143.  

...and I've just been caught out by a holiday weekend...
Those things are a pest, there should never be anything closed. Give us all 3 or 4 day weeks, everything is open all the time, and we get more relaxation time. There's really no need for people to slave away 40 hours a week in this century.

For me, I'm told I'm paid to work only 17.5 hours per week. Which, of course, doesn't pay the rent in present-day London.
Hmm, checking in 4 or 5 times per day, that's 25 or 30 times a week, at 10 to 15 minutes a time... CMS@Home seriously eats into my time allocation.

# I despise ya 'cos you're filthy,
# But I loves ya, 'cos you're home!
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Message 48231 - Posted: 19 Jun 2023, 8:54:00 UTC - in response to Message 48137.  

the queue has run dry :-(
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Message 48232 - Posted: 19 Jun 2023, 10:15:52 UTC

It's the LHC technical stop! ATLAS and CMS stopped working!
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Message 48233 - Posted: 19 Jun 2023, 11:02:41 UTC - in response to Message 48232.  

Appears to be an issue with BOINC services.
Validation not happening so no re-sends and maybe affecting new work.

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Message 48234 - Posted: 19 Jun 2023, 14:39:51 UTC - in response to Message 48231.  
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the queue has run dry :-(

Sorry, Monday is usually my day off, and I surfaced rather late ...
(Not helped by a lack of ATLAS jobs for its regulars who are perforce enforced to mingle with us.)
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Message 48240 - Posted: 24 Jun 2023, 17:26:20 UTC

the queue has run dry :-(
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Message 48241 - Posted: 24 Jun 2023, 21:31:03 UTC - in response to Message 48240.  

the queue has run dry :-(

I'm sorry, there seems to be a problem at CERN. Workflows are not progressing through the various stages. For example, there are several wfs with no outstanding jobs that are not progressing to "completed". In this case, I have a new wf submitted, but it's stuck in "assigned" and not moving on to "running". I'm not sure I can raise anyone to deal with it at this stage of a summer weekend...
Feel free to set No New Tasks where you can, to protect your BOIN task quotas.
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Message 48242 - Posted: 24 Jun 2023, 21:46:58 UTC - in response to Message 48241.  

I've submitted a ticket to CERN IT about this matter (INC3513936).
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Message 48243 - Posted: 24 Jun 2023, 21:51:37 UTC - in response to Message 48241.  
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Feel free to set No New Tasks where you can, to protect your BOIN task quotas.
I don't understand what you mean by this. If there are no tasks available, Boinc just gets work from another project you've attached to. LHC then gets a debt in your Boinc, and will catch up later by doing more. I never turn off a project without tasks. In fact the projects with very rare availability, I leave on all the time. When Boinc sees work from them, it does only that project.

What are these quotas to "protect"? And protect from what?
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Message 48244 - Posted: 24 Jun 2023, 22:25:21 UTC - in response to Message 48243.  

Feel free to set No New Tasks where you can, to protect your BOIN task quotas.
I don't understand what you mean by this. If there are no tasks available, Boinc just gets work from another project you've attached to. LHC then gets a debt in your Boinc, and will catch up later by doing more. I never turn off a project without tasks. In fact the projects with very rare availability, I leave on all the time. When Boinc sees work from them, it does only that project.

What are these quotas to "protect"? And protect from what?

Every time you record a BOINC task with an error, your daily task quota is decremented. (I must admit I'm hazy about how this applies across multiple projects). So, you may get down to one task per day. BOINC will only send your quota of tasks per day. The quota then increases by one per day for every successful task completion; If you've depleted your quota down to one task per day it may take some time before you receive all the tasks you expect. Setting NNT when no tasks asre available circumvents the automatic reduction of task quota.
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Message 48245 - Posted: 24 Jun 2023, 23:09:42 UTC - in response to Message 48244.  

Every time you record a BOINC task with an error, your daily task quota is decremented. (I must admit I'm hazy about how this applies across multiple projects). So, you may get down to one task per day. BOINC will only send your quota of tasks per day. The quota then increases by one per day for every successful task completion; If you've depleted your quota down to one task per day it may take some time before you receive all the tasks you expect. Setting NNT when no tasks asre available circumvents the automatic reduction of task quota.
It doesn't apply across projects. For example a number of my machines are on 1 task per day on Climate Prediction (you get that as soon as you crash just one task, and they're currently very unreliable.) This is not affecting any other project.

It's only a crashed task which gets you in trouble, and the LHC server isn't as strict as Climate Prediction, you have to mess up quite a lot. It's nothing to do with not being able to download some when none are available. Not sure why you're linking two entirely different things. Just because I can't get more, I might have say 20 in my buffer and break one, but so what? I'd soon return one of the others and my ban would be lifted.
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Message 48246 - Posted: 25 Jun 2023, 6:43:59 UTC - in response to Message 48241.  

the queue has run dry :-(

I'm sorry, there seems to be a problem at CERN. Workflows are not progressing through the various stages.
yes, obviously some major interruption somewhere there. Since a few hours ago, also the only remaining subproject Theory is affected, too - no downloads of new tasks possible.
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Message 48247 - Posted: 25 Jun 2023, 10:22:16 UTC - in response to Message 48246.  

the queue has run dry :-(

I'm sorry, there seems to be a problem at CERN. Workflows are not progressing through the various stages.
yes, obviously some major interruption somewhere there. Since a few hours ago, also the only remaining subproject Theory is affected, too - no downloads of new tasks possible.
Theory is working again.
However, not so CMS :-(
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Message 48248 - Posted: 25 Jun 2023, 11:04:12 UTC - in response to Message 48247.  

the queue has run dry :-(

I'm sorry, there seems to be a problem at CERN. Workflows are not progressing through the various stages.
yes, obviously some major interruption somewhere there. Since a few hours ago, also the only remaining subproject Theory is affected, too - no downloads of new tasks possible.
Theory is working again.
However, not so CMS :-(

No response to my incident report yet. cmsweb-testbed.cern.ch appears to be ailing.
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Message 48249 - Posted: 25 Jun 2023, 22:12:58 UTC - in response to Message 48248.  

cmsweb-testbed.cern.ch appears to be ailing.
Swiss devices never fail surely? Don't tell me they imported it?
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Message 48250 - Posted: 26 Jun 2023, 20:11:20 UTC - in response to Message 48249.  
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Swiss devices never fail surely? Don't tell me they imported it?

http://tinyurl.com/Swiss-devices-never-fail
except my Swiss bank account of course
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Message 48251 - Posted: 27 Jun 2023, 0:13:33 UTC - in response to Message 48250.  

Not sure which of those links is meant to disprove my point.
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Message 48252 - Posted: 27 Jun 2023, 5:15:38 UTC - in response to Message 48248.  

Ivan wrote two days ago
No response to my incident report yet. cmsweb-testbed.cern.ch appears to be ailing.
hello Ivan, any idea when CMS will be alive again?
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