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Message 17936 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 3:57:19 UTC - in response to Message 17935.  

The wonderful thing about being me is that I can chose to not tell folks how to increase their chance of getting work. So far I'm only at Lesson 1 which reveals very little to your average Windoze lemming. If the admins choose to be more sane (i.e. take 5 minutes to tweak the parameters that will spread the work out more evenly) then I will be inspired to end it with Lesson 1. If not then we proceed to Lesson 2 and learn how to invoke boinccmd from a .bat. If they cancel my account then I'll just put my info on a website they can't control and post links here from new accounts opened from a multitude of IPs other than my own.

Now this will get more interesting...
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Message 17938 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 4:50:04 UTC - in response to Message 17935.  

Already I hear folks saying like "How dare you threaten/coerce this project?" My response to that is... "How dare these project admins waste precious donated resources when it would take only a few minutes to correct the problem."

You can't get your way, so you throw a tantrum and resort to blackmail? Wow - that's incredibly lame. Congratulations on just flushing any credibility you had on these boards right down the shi**er. You've belittled yourself and any point you may have hoped to make. Good work. I actually thought your arguments had some degree of sense to them, although I find your level of emotional commitment to the subject more than a little disturbing. But now, this is just sad. Turning to tactics like this doesn't make you powerful, or any more of a man. It makes you a weasel and a crybaby. And yes, you can take those as insults if you like. You've earned them.
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Message 17942 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 15:15:34 UTC - in response to Message 17939.  

The fact that you don't respect me and my methods makes little difference to me. It would make a difference if you had any respect for common sense and reason but you don't seem to. And yes you can take that as an insult if you like because you've earned it. Maybe direct your anger toward the the cause of the problem next time rather than toward the one who is trying to cure the problem.

First of all, I have no anger towards you. It's more like I feel bad for you. And I have no doubt that my opinion of you makes little difference, because you clearly consider only your own opinions to have merit. And that's just sad. And BTW, that's about the tenth time I've seen you accuse someone of not having "any respect for common sense and reason." That's why your credibility is so piss-poor here - because you spend so much time trying (quite ineffectively) to discredit others, just because they don't agree with you. That's a very lazy, impotent way to argue your case. You accuse me of directing anger at you, but YOU are the one who continues to engage in argumentum ad hominem instead of maintaining focus on the issue at hand. Your posts of the last 9 months, on a number of topics, have been interesting to read, to say the least - but more from the perspective of trying to figure out why you're unable to engage in an adult conversation. The only anger appears to deeply embedded in yourself - hence your need to resort to blackmail to attempt to get your way. I really don't care enough about you or this issue to get angry about it. Just so we're clear.

And second, seriously, why are you so upset about this whole thing? Will your world crumble if the admins don't do as you say? Is the difference between IR=5 and IR=3 really that earth-shattering? Really? Really? Look, you've made your point in about 20 different ways, and everyone - including the admins - has heard you. If they decide to make the change, then congratulations. But if they don't, SO WHAT? Life goes on, and so does LHC, and so does BOINC. Get some perspective. If this is the biggest problem you have to worry about today, then you're way ahead of the vast majority of the world. You seem hell-bent on hammering your point home again and again until the rest of the world conforms to your ways. The irony is that, in doing so, you've likely alienated the admins (and, I suspect, a lot of forum readers) to the point where they would almost rather do the opposite of what you suggest, just to piss you off. If you want to do your case a favor, my suggestion (and I know you don't give a rat's ass about my suggestions) is to chill for a while and see if the admins decide to make a change. Going on and on about it won't help your case, and blackmailing the admins definitely won't help your case, nor will it achieve your ultimate objective.

I do agree, it'd be nice to hear from the admins as to their opinions on the IR issue, just so we can put this whole issue to rest. But throwing insults around and threatening them is no way to engage them in a constructive dialog. That's just common sense - which, BTW, I'm well in touch with.
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Message 17943 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 15:17:11 UTC

I find myself drawn into this thread, partly with a smile on my face, and partly with the question, "you're kidding, right?"

I don't think it's the project administrators job to help you 'stomp' or 'overtake' your competition or whatever reason you have for being obsessed with this.

I confess I am always interested in how much work I do every day, but can we please put this in perspective.

Someone commented somewhere about windoze lemmings. I think it was in the Dear Alex and Neasan thread. Perhaps I don't understand the mission of distributed computing and project managers, but my guess is more than 90% of crunchers are running the original projects leisurely, with a minimum amount of interference.

You optimizer types are brilliant, but are totally outside the mainstream.

I can't help but think about the poor middle school or high school kid who comes to these message boards to learn something. Some of you are teaching him/her how to cheat. Some of you have obviously had too much ale. Some of you are just plain insulting.

But I guess comedy sometimes is ;-)




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Message 17944 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 15:25:30 UTC

I think, we just should ignore Dagorath. The last couple of weeks he tried to provoke over at ABC@Home. But now it gone boring for him. So he looked for a new target here. He only tries to catch attention. And this in a very sad way...
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Message 17945 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 16:20:31 UTC - in response to Message 17944.  

I think, we just should ignore Dagorath. The last couple of weeks he tried to provoke over at ABC@Home. But now it gone boring for him. So he looked for a new target here. He only tries to catch attention. And this in a very sad way...

Agreed. If you don't like what he's doing, just ignore him. Add him to your forum filter list if you want to. But don't feed the troll.
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Message 17946 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 16:48:42 UTC - in response to Message 17945.  

Agreed. If you don't like what he's doing, just ignore him. Add him to your forum filter list if you want to. But don't feed the troll.

Ditto here.
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Message 17950 - Posted: 21 Sep 2007, 11:14:10 UTC


:) thanks Dagorath ;) never say die, LOL.
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Message 17961 - Posted: 22 Sep 2007, 20:30:38 UTC
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Maybe time to calm down. A lot of us are with this project for already a long time and we knew that here at LHC@Home there would not be always work to do. If LHC is without WU’s, there are more then enough other projects that can be joined.
Don’t let us go into argue with each other, it isn’t worth.

Best regards from Belgium,
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Message 17962 - Posted: 22 Sep 2007, 21:07:26 UTC - in response to Message 17961.  

[quote]Maybe time to calm down. A lot of us are with this project for already a long time and we knew that here at LHC@Home there would not be always work to do. If LHC is without WUs, there are more then enough other projects that can be joined./quote]
That's not with what is being discussed here. We're all aware that most of the time there is no work for anybody. The problem is that when there is work, some people get hundreds and some people get none.
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Message 17963 - Posted: 22 Sep 2007, 22:20:42 UTC

I thought Dagorath was trying to sabotage the LHC servers by hammering them with requests to that they finally respond to why they won't change the IR from 5, to what he feels it should be, which is an IR of 3. this would, of course, lead to LESS work but hey....
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Message 17964 - Posted: 22 Sep 2007, 22:49:24 UTC - in response to Message 17963.  

I thought Dagorath was trying to sabotage the LHC servers by hammering them with requests to that they finally respond to why they won't change the IR from 5, to what he feels it should be, which is an IR of 3. this would, of course, lead to LESS work but hey....

So what? Means less WASTED work. Would you prefer LHC to generate 'uppercase' workunits to fill the void when they don't have any useful work to do?
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Message 17968 - Posted: 23 Sep 2007, 19:18:39 UTC - in response to Message 17951.  


;) some people dont recognize a genius when they see one :) just dont get a swollen head ;)
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:) thanks Dagorath ;) never say die, LOL.
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Good to hear from you again, Masud ;)

I think some people just don't want their secret method for insuring that they get WUs to be made public.




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Message 17970 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 2:26:27 UTC

This is slightly off-topic, but can anyone tell me the exact address the messages come from notifying of another post? My ISP seems to be blocking them.

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Message 17976 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 13:47:58 UTC - in response to Message 17970.  
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This is slightly off-topic, but can anyone tell me the exact address the messages come from notifying of another post? My ISP seems to be blocking them.

Thanks

I just subscribed to this thread. If you can make another post, I'll let you know which address the email comes from (unless someone else beats me to it).
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Message 17977 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 14:40:03 UTC

I will help you :D
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Message 17978 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 15:02:27 UTC - in response to Message 17977.  

I will help you :D

Thanks. The email came from root-ph-hep@qmul.ac.uk
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